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Old 11-18-2017, 10:54 PM
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Re: Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

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There are countless millions of future " trib saints" alive today. These are sincere believers in Jesus
that are not qualified to be caught away. Only the First century bride types willbe caught away.
The various passages in Rev. Find saints, even 144,000 Jews that are considered saints by God.
We definitely cannot be lumped in with everyone else. Especially when the HolyGhost, restraining force
is taken out of the way.
You make some interesting comments.

Apparently you believe in two resurrections; you also count yourself among the
ones who "cannot be lumped together". But let me ask you this question:
Why would the Holy Spirit (restraining force) be taken out of the way?

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Old 11-19-2017, 07:52 AM
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Re: Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

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His NAME is Jesus!



You make some interesting comments.

Apparently you believe in two resurrections; you also count yourself among the
ones who "cannot be lumped together". But let me ask you this question:
Why would the Holy Spirit (restraining force) be taken out of the way?

Brother Villa

I believe in multiple resurrections, yes.

The Holy Ghost's removal would be done to allow the spirit of antichrist to finally find a host to emulate as "god".

This man will be a counterfeit "christ", preceding the Lord Jesus Christ.

This will allow the return of the true Christ to have maximum effect and an object lesson for mankind at this event.....



11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.



This is what the world witnesses.....




19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.




There is timing to the appearing of the false christ, as you can see.....




And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:





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Old 11-19-2017, 09:18 AM
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Re: Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

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1 I believe in multiple resurrections, yes.

2 The Holy Ghost's removal would be done to allow the spirit of antichrist to finally find a host to emulate as "god".
This man will be a counterfeit "christ", preceding the Lord Jesus Christ.
This will allow the return of the true Christ to have maximum effect and an object lesson for mankind at this event.....

3 11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

4 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

5 This is what the world witnesses.....

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

6 There is timing to the appearing of the false christ, as you can see.....

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
1 One of those is, to you, a secret resurrection, correct?

2 why would the Holy Spirit need to be taken out of the way? His primary
object is to keep THE CHURCH safe. Do you refer to a persecution?

3 you jumped forward to the actual coming of the Lord with His saints;

4 what are you doing with the other person on a white horse: the one with
the bow (Rev 6:2)?

5 Yes, the "world" will witness an army fighting against the Lord: and even
now is the world (the ungodly) being assembled against Him;

6 there is definitely a timing to the appearance of the man of sin: but you
seem to be going backwards now:

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Old 11-19-2017, 10:00 AM
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Re: Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

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His NAME is Jesus!



1 One of those is, to you, a secret resurrection, correct?

2 why would the Holy Spirit need to be taken out of the way? His primary
object is to keep THE CHURCH safe. Do you refer to a persecution?

3 you jumped forward to the actual coming of the Lord with His saints;

4 what are you doing with the other person on a white horse: the one with
the bow (Rev 6:2)?

5 Yes, the "world" will witness an army fighting against the Lord: and even
now is the world (the ungodly) being assembled against Him;

6 there is definitely a timing to the appearance of the man of sin: but you
seem to be going backwards now:

Brother Villa
Not a secret resurrection, but a BIG event.

One taken, the other left.

Frightening event for the world to deal with to precede the wrath of God.....




Revelation 6King James Version (KJV)

6 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
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