Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I started my walk as a pre trib Sean so I have already been where you want me to be.

What I wonder is about this:



Dont you see that Noah did not need to be taken to Heaven to be preserved by YAH? He was still right here on Earth even tho it was destroyed. Cant get much worse than the world being destroyed! And yet YAH did not remove Noah from the Earth but rather showed his power to deliver by keeping him here all the way through the flood.

Then the other thing where pre trib fails dramatically is that when the flood came IT WAS TO LATE FOR ANYONE TO BE SAVED!

Everyone else on Earth died. And yet........second chance salvation is THE ONLY BASIS whereby the pre trib rapture is allowed to stand.

It absolutely fails the test using the days of Noah as a type. Jesus did not give the type to give hope to sinners once he comes they can still be saved.

The warning he gave was if you miss his coming THE DOOR IS SHUT!

Michael....God in Gen., shut the door on the Ark.

God shut the door in Matt 25 and LEFT half the virgins behind.

God did not take the bad virgins, but the good ones.

You do see that, right?


It was in the exact same discourse as Matt 24, right?


One taken...the other left.

5 virgins taken...5 left.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

Michael....God in Gen., shut the door on the Ark.

God shut the door in Matt 25 and LEFT half the virgins behind.

God did not take the bad virgins, but the good ones.

You do see that, right?


It was in the exact same discourse as Matt 24, right?


One taken...the other left.

5 virgins taken...5 left.

You must interpret that parable in light of what he said earlier in Matthew 24, where only ONE coming is taught. All the parable of the virgins is saying is that once he returns, it's too late to be saved. You have them eventually being allowed in, which is not the context.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

Michael....God in Gen., shut the door on the Ark.

God shut the door in Matt 25 and LEFT half the virgins behind.

God did not take the bad virgins, but the good ones.

You do see that, right?


It was in the exact same discourse as Matt 24, right?


One taken...the other left.... Matt 24.

5 virgins taken...5 left.....Matt 25

Again.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

Again.

Again, the coming being discussed there is the same coming Jesus mentioned in verse 29-31. There are not two comings taught in Matthew 24. You are teaching serious false doctrine.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Again, the coming being discussed there is the same coming Jesus mentioned in verse 29-31. There are not two comings taught in Matthew 24. You are teaching serious false doctrine.

I will not leave you comfortless, I will come to you.


No, He comes all the time where He already is.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

I will not leave you comfortless, I will come to you.


No, He comes all the time where He already is.

Wow. That was lame. Really?

So now you are downplaying the importance of the second coming because you can't find but one coming in Matthew 24. Now the coming of the Spirit at Pentecost is the second coming, too? Oh boy.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Wow. That was lame. Really?

So now you are downplaying the importance of the second coming because you can't find but one coming in Matthew 24. Now the coming of the Spirit at Pentecost is the second coming, too? Oh boy.

Are the 10 virgins Jesus spoke of in Matt 25 the saints?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

Are the 10 virgins Jesus spoke of in Matt 25 the saints?

Obviously 5 were not. And they never got another chance to be.