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Old 01-06-2018, 08:11 AM
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Re: Wine vs Grape Juice

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Doesnt look good? Dude, Jesus created a massive amount of FERMENTED WINE as his first miracle.

He wasnt just caught with a can....He passed out kegs!

You cant start retroactively declaring stuff sin!

Lack of moderation IS sin but how weird is something to be declared sin that Christ and all the disciples participated in?

"Well if you sin, you lose the Holy Ghost because God wont dwell in a unclean temple."

Ok, if drinking is automatically sin, how was Christ able to be a perfect sinless sacrifice?

Preaching something as sin without it actually being sin does NOT make that thing sin and to do so is to declare yourself more righteous than Christ.

"Hey Jesus, um yeah me and the board decided that the water into wine thing, since it was actually alcoholic, is a big no no for us so we are voting you out."

Again....honesty.
15 Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!

16 Thou art filled with shame for glory: drink thou also, and let thy foreskin be uncovered: the cup of the Lord's right hand shall be turned unto thee, and shameful spewing shall be on thy glory.

17 For the violence of Lebanon shall cover thee, and the spoil of beasts, which made them afraid, because of men's blood, and for the violence of the land, of the city, and of all that dwell therein.




Is that why Jesus was crucified?
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Old 01-06-2018, 09:02 AM
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15 Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!

16 Thou art filled with shame for glory: drink thou also, and let thy foreskin be uncovered: the cup of the Lord's right hand shall be turned unto thee, and shameful spewing shall be on thy glory.

17 For the violence of Lebanon shall cover thee, and the spoil of beasts, which made them afraid, because of men's blood, and for the violence of the land, of the city, and of all that dwell therein.




Is that why Jesus was crucified?
Pretty sure thats talking of getting someone drunk to take sexual advantage of them.....not the same thing bro.
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Old 01-06-2018, 10:04 AM
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Pretty sure thats talking of getting someone drunk to take sexual advantage of them.....not the same thing bro.
So the curse of Hab 2 only applies to sexual situations and not the alcohol that causes it?

Notice it says "look on", not defile.

Just like the situation of Ham/Noah.
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