Wine vs Grape Juice

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

No sir. They don’t mean the same thing. One means more of the same thing. One is “given to wine”, the other is “given to much wine”. One is a higher standard than the other.

2] A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
[3] Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
[4] One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
[5] (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
[6] Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
[7] Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
[8] Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine . . .

I see, the lower you are on the totem pole, the drunker you can get.

[Amanah]

That there are so many alcoholics and people who object makes juice preferable

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

That there are so many alcoholics and people who object makes juice preferable

Never seen a brother or sister go back to drinking because of the Lord's supper.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Jito463

I'm confused....what exactly are you saying?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Jito463

What is who saying?

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

What is who saying?

Evang.Benincasa

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...48#post1515048

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Never seen a brother or sister go back to drinking because of the Lord's supper.

Going on 56 years in the church not one time. Folks will say that and gulp NyQuil down.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Sean

I see, the lower you are on the totem pole, the drunker you can get.

That’s almost true Sean. It would be more accurate to say that the lower you are on the totem pole, the closer to drunk you can get. Drunkenness is still a sin though. What this scripture illustrates is that drinking is acceptable, in the early church. It may not be advisable, and it shouldn’t be done if it would cause someone week to stumble (Amanah), but at the end of the day, drinking is not a sin.

Another thing this scripture highlights is that, contrary to popular belief, everyone is NOT held to the same standard. To whom much is given, much is required. Almost sounds like the “light doctrine”.

Elder Epley, could you share some wisdom on this?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Going on 56 years in the church not one time. Folks will say that and gulp NyQuil down.

Point taken

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jito463

I'm confused....what exactly are you saying?