Universal Salvation

[crakjak]

You continue to interpret perish to support your position, and with one exception you us OT scripture to prove your point.

Please, prove that perish means endless torment or annihilation.

Hebrews 10:26-31 establishes that no one could be save except thru the blood of the Son of God. And those that reject the saving power of the blood will suffer more than just physical death, they will face age enduring punishment after death. After this punishment has accomplished its purpose it will come to an end, just as the fires of Sodom ended.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by crakjak

You continue to interpret perish to support your position, and with one exception you us OT scripture to prove your point.

Please, prove that perish means endless torment or annihilation.

1. To die or be destroyed, especially in a violent or untimely manner.

2. To pass from existence; disappear gradually.

3. Chiefly British To spoil or deteriorate.

v.tr.
To bring to destruction; destroy.

נפלnâphal

This Hebrew root literally means to fall down in death. It's used repeatedly as fallen in battle, or by sword. Also the word appears in the Bible as to be "cut off" and to "perish"

The Hebrew word nâphal sure never held a meaning of a period of time.

אבד'âbad aw-bad'

Lev 26:38

"And ye shall PERISH 'âbad among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up."

Levitcus 26:38 is just one verse showing the wrath of God using the word 'âbad "perish" and its meaning is to DESTROY, REMOVED, LOST, VOID, TO LOSE. In the 180 times that the word 'âbad is used in the Hebrew scriptures it never is used in the context of any period of time and that the DESTRUCTION will be revoked at any future time.

CJ, I cannot see how you're coming up with this doctrine of Purgatory for the sinners?

Originally Posted by crakjak

Hebrews 10:26-31 establishes that no one could be save except thru the blood of the Son of God. And those that reject the saving power of the blood will suffer more than just physical death, they will face age enduring punishment after death. After this punishment has accomplished its purpose it will come to an end, just as the fires of Sodom ended.

CJ, can you please (with scripture, chapter and verse) explain what I bolded in RED I think that would be an interesting start so that we can see what exactly you're trying to teach.

In Jesus Name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

CJ, before I post anything else, I really need you to define your doctrine. Especially point out how the "perishing and destruction of the soul is temporary? Please explain (with scriptures).

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

CJ, before I post anything else, I really need you to define your doctrine. Especially point out how the "perishing and destruction of the soul is temporary? Please explain (with scriptures).

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

I will respond to this post in the next day or two.

Going to bed. Goodnight!

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

1. To die or be destroyed, especially in a violent or untimely manner.

2. To pass from existence; disappear gradually.

3. Chiefly British To spoil or deteriorate.

v.tr.
To bring to destruction; destroy.

נפלnâphal

This Hebrew root literally means to fall down in death. It's used repeatedly as fallen in battle, or by sword. Also the word appears in the Bible as to be "cut off" and to "perish"

The Hebrew word nâphal sure never held a meaning of a period of time.

אבד'âbad aw-bad'

Lev 26:38

"And ye shall PERISH 'âbad among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up."

Levitcus 26:38 is just one verse showing the wrath of God using the word 'âbad "perish" and its meaning is to DESTROY, REMOVED, LOST, VOID, TO LOSE. In the 180 times that the word 'âbad is used in the Hebrew scriptures it never is used in the context of any period of time and that the DESTRUCTION will be revoked at any future time.

CJ, I cannot see how you're coming up with this doctrine of Purgatory for the sinners?



CJ, can you please (with scripture, chapter and verse) explain what I bolded in RED I think that would be an interesting start so that we can see what exactly you're trying to teach.

In Jesus Name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

I agree with all of your definitions of "perish" it means to die, a wasted physical life, not endless torment or annihilation.

Concerning Sodom, the resident's phyiscal lives were "perish" they died, the fire went out. Then the book of Ezekiel tells us Sodom and her sister (cities) will be restored:Ezekiel 16:55

"Your sisters, Sodom with her daughters and Samaria with her daughters, will return to their former state, and you with your daughters will also return to your former state.

What I am presenting is that God will purge, purify and redeem His whole creation. The blood of Jesus makes it possible. There is much hyperbolic language that seems to teach "endless torment", yet when thoroughly researched it is not nearly are clear as tradition teaches.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I agree with all of your definitions of "perish" it means to die, a wasted physical life, not endless torment or annihilation.

Concerning Sodom, the resident's phyiscal lives were "perish" they died, the fire went out. Then the book of Ezekiel tells us Sodom and her sister (cities) will be restored:Ezekiel 16:55

"Your sisters, Sodom with her daughters and Samaria with her daughters, will return to their former state, and you with your daughters will also return to your former state.

CJ, the prophet is not talking about saving sodomites and restoring them, the prophet is speaking of restoring the fruitfullness of the Gentiles spiritually in Christ. Samaria, Sodom are terms used for the Gentiles as a whole and are restored spiritually through the New Covenant in Christ's blood.

Eze 16:60-63

"Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy YOUTH, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant. Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy covenant. And I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD: That thou mayest remember, and be confounded, and never open thy mouth any more because of thy shame, when I am pacified toward thee for all that thou hast done, saith the Lord GOD."

Originally Posted by crakjak

What I am presenting is that God will purge, purify and redeem His whole creation.

You see CJ, that what you're saying is very difficult to see, could you please lay out this teaching with enough scripture and your explanation so we might understand what you're trying to present?

Originally Posted by crakjak

The blood of Jesus makes it possible. There is much hyperbolic language that seems to teach "endless torment", yet when thoroughly researched it is not nearly are clear as tradition teaches.

Show us what you mean by presenting some kind of outline.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

CJ, the prophet is not talking about saving sodomites and restoring them, the prophet is speaking of restoring the fruitfullness of the Gentiles spiritually in Christ. Samaria, Sodom are terms used for the Gentiles as a whole and are restored spiritually through the New Covenant in Christ's blood.

Eze 16:60-63

"Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy YOUTH, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant. Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy covenant. And I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD: That thou mayest remember, and be confounded, and never open thy mouth any more because of thy shame, when I am pacified toward thee for all that thou hast done, saith the Lord GOD."



You see CJ, that what you're saying is very difficult to see, could you please lay out this teaching with enough scripture and your explanation so we might understand what you're trying to present?



Show us what you mean by presenting some kind of outline.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

"Bump"

In Jesus Name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You see CJ, that what you're saying is very difficult to see, could you please lay out this teaching with enough scripture and your explanation so we might understand what you're trying to present?



Show us what you mean by presenting some kind of outline.

Jesus said he came "to seek and to save that which was lost." Luke 19:10. Not that which was in danger of being lost, but that which was lost. All mankind were lost. Jesus, therefore, came to save all mankind. He came to do or accomplish the will of God. John 6: 38, "For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me." We have seen that God's will is that all men should be saved. The testimony of Jesus on this point is, John 6:39, "And this is the will of him that sent me, that of all which he hath given me, I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day." This is not only the will of God respecting all who are given to Christ, but it is also his will that those who believe in the gospel should have everlasting life here in this world. John 6:40, "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one that seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life." Compare this with John 5:24 and 17:3. Not any who are given to Christ then will eventually be lost. Well, how many are given to Christ? Ps. 2:7, 8, "I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession."

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Jesus said he came "to seek and to save that which was lost." Luke 19:10. Not that which was in danger of being lost, but that which was lost. All mankind were lost.

Joh 1:11-12 KJV He came unto his own, and his own received him not. (12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Always a stipulation is found in the text.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Joh 1:11-12 KJV He came unto his own, and his own received him not. (12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Always a stipulation is found in the text.

11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


It is an act of God, my friend, not an act of man.