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Old 03-25-2018, 06:31 PM
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Re: Are Trinitarians Saved?

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Dr James White must of never met the trinitarians I have met. Which the lion share are dualists. The believe in a papa god and his son Jesus. There is always a twoism. Which makes up the majority. The other are tritheism like Mormons. Who believe in literally a true Trinity, which is three separate persons. My Roman and Eastern Orthodox relatives believe in there separate persons all day every day. Modalists within Trinitarianism? would fill a thimble. Because as fast as they can say Modalist, they would break it all down between two or three persons.




Yet, please no offense, but it seems like you are making zero knowledge a given.

You know better, and my disappointment deepens. Obviously I believe some knowledge is required. Sharing the gospel is the impartation of knowledge. But to be made righteous before a holy God, one does not have to profess a belief in or possess an understanding of the workings of the Oneness doctrine. The Apostles in Acts preached "Jesus of Nazareth" being "exalted". It does take the illuminating influences of the indwelling Holy Ghost to begin grasping the dual nature of Christ. Again, why these exaggerated claims against me, brother? Zero knowledge?

Therefore God has to ditch His plan of salvation and just grade everyone on their faith in something close to a Biblical Jesus.

I defer to my comments above.^^^^^^

Everyone will be judged on how sincere, faithful, kind, and (in the case of Dave Wilkerson, and Billy Graham) ecclesiastically famous they were?

We are saved by washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost according to Titus 3:5. Anyone who is in Heaven dwells there because of that salvation, not for the reasons you list. And frankly, you have taken much of what Aquila has said way out of context.


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Re: Are Trinitarians Saved?

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You know better, and my disappointment deepens. Obviously I believe some knowledge is required.
But, actually what is the bare minimum one really needs to know? Again, we are back to Aquila's ignorant bog harvesting serfs and dimwitted monks of the dark ages. People who had no real working knowledge of the Bible. Because supposedly the Roman Catholics didn't want anyone outside of Latin speakers to know what it contained. Leaving the stump ignorant dark age culture to rely solely on a few basic Bible stories to get by on. Doctrine would be what ever was churned out of the Roman Catholic feudal church. Today was a discussion brought up in service where Christians believe all sorts of myths concerning Jesus, and the Gospel. Soteriology is reduced to a confess with your mouth and sin every day because you are just a sinner. Jesus' atonement makes it all good, and you can never stop sinning because you have a veracious sinilled nature. Come as you are and stay as you are. So, it is not how much you are required to know, (because that seems like too much weight on the bar) so, how little can you know? Really, that seems to be the elephant in the room.

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Sharing the gospel is the impartation of knowledge. But to be made righteous before a holy God, one does not have to profess a belief in or possess an understanding of the workings of the Oneness doctrine.
Oneness doctrine? My lands, I thought we are talking about what saith the Bible. I don't give a hoot, what Brothers Bernard and Segraves believe. I am supposed to make my calling an election sure. The devils believe in Oneness and they are shaking like puppies passing peach pits. So, I sure don't want demons having more perfect knowledge of truth than my family and I? Looking well to my going? Walking circumspectly. The word an illuminating force to my path? Wow, bro, there is sure a lot of warning and instruction going on in that book. Seems to me, that one needs to sharpen their pencil and start doing some arithmetic on how they are going to navigate that narrow way and enter through that cracked open door.

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The Apostles in Acts preached "Jesus of Nazareth" being "exalted". It does take the illuminating influences of the indwelling Holy Ghost to begin grasping the dual nature of Christ. Again, why these exaggerated claims against me, brother? Zero knowledge?
Bro, I love you, please don't me this an us against you. Because it isn't about you or me. It is about what that book is actually saying and conveying. Jesus as well as Paul warns us to get it together. We are entering a new dark ages in our own world. Where we are heading towards a post Christain era. Where people believe in a flat earth, that life on this planet was created by the Anunnaki from the planet X. Where technology through smart phones is making television prohibition in old Pentecost look like baby diapers. Imagine a member of your church relaying to you the story of Moses, and how Moses was betrayed by Edward G Robinson and Vincent Price? How that there favorite Bible story is the little drummer boy? I'm not making this up, these were events which really happened. Hosea 4:6 sattes "my people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge," also look at Job 36:12, Proverbs 5:23, and Proverbs 10:21. The job and call of the ministry is to teach, preach, and baptize, that is the great commission. We must all do our part. Our job isn't to fill buildings with warm bodies and open wallets. Our job is what the Ethiopian eunuch was looking for a man who would instruct him on how to be saved. Trinitarians need a Peter to come down from Joppa to the house of Cornelius. To give the rest of the story.
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