Do we have to pay tithes?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

"You see what I'm saying." Does that mean you agree with me?

There is a misconception that under the Old Covenant, of which the Mosaic Law was part, that men of God were eligible to receive the tithe. The fact is, being a prophet, a preacher, or otherwise a man of God, had no bearing on whether you were to receive the Levitical tithe. There was only one thing that qualified you to receive a portion of the Levitical tithe.

You had to be a Levite. Just for an example, Elisha was a prophet, right? Yet he was not a Levite, therefore he could not share in the tithe. The tithe was tied to the temple system. It supported the Levites and priests (who were also Levites) to serve in the temple.

David was a prophet and a king, but it was illegal for him to eat the tithe of the Levites. This may help eliminate some confusion.

I'll agree with most you said. I still give from my first fruits but I can see what you're saying.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I'll agree with most you said. I still give from my first fruits but I can see what you're saying.

I'm pretty sure it is impossible to give tithes from first fruits. It just goes to show how confused the subject has become.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

I'm pretty sure it is impossible to give tithes from first fruits. It just goes to show how confused the subject has become.

Who said anything about tithing? Just in general I give out my first fruits regardless! It was only a statement bro. Lol

Tell the truth all it would take for you to stop listening and hear no further of what someone said, would be just them saying the word "tithe"?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Who said anything about tithing? Just in general I give out my first fruits regardless! It was only a statement bro. Lol

Tell the truth all it would take for you to stop listening and hear no further of what someone said, would be just them saying the word "tithe"?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Who said anything about tithing? Just in general I give out my first fruits regardless! It was only a statement bro. Lol

Tell the truth all it would take for you to stop listening and hear no further of what someone said, would be just them saying the word "tithe"?

I’m sorry brother. This is your thread. Please tell me what the title of the thread you started is.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

I’m sorry brother. This is your thread. Please tell me what the title of the thread you started is.

[Nitehawk013]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Who said anything about tithing? Just in general I give out my first fruits regardless! It was only a statement bro. Lol

Tell the truth all it would take for you to stop listening and hear no further of what someone said, would be just them saying the word "tithe"?

That is because we all know what is packed into that word "tithe". Words have meanings. Connotations.

When someone says tithe, they tend to mean "pay 10% gross or go straight to hell". They say it nicer than that...but we've been around long enough to know what they mean. So yeah...it's easy to tune out when people start harping on how we ought to tithe.

Don't pretend the opposite isn't equally true though. The minute your side hears someone say they don't believe in tithing you also become hard of hearing and think we all mean that no one should give to the church to support it.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

That is because we all know what is packed into that word "tithe". Words have meanings. Connotations.

When someone says tithe, they tend to mean "pay 10% gross or go straight to hell". They say it nicer than that...but we've been around long enough to know what they mean. So yeah...it's easy to tune out when people start harping on how we ought to tithe.

Don't pretend the opposite isn't equally true though. The minute your side hears someone say they don't believe in tithing you also become hard of hearing and think we all mean that no one should give to the church to support it.

Wow, you blew their nose into your cornflakes this morning?

You are so angry about religion.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

That is because we all know what is packed into that word "tithe". Words have meanings. Connotations.

When someone says tithe, they tend to mean "pay 10% gross or go straight to hell". They say it nicer than that...but we've been around long enough to know what they mean. So yeah...it's easy to tune out when people start harping on how we ought to tithe.

Don't pretend the opposite isn't equally true though. The minute your side hears someone say they don't believe in tithing you also become hard of hearing and think we all mean that no one should give to the church to support it.

Btw no one ever said quote unqoute not paying tithes would send you to hell. Not paying tithes is robbing God (Malachi 3:9)+thieves can't inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)= "go straight to hell" as you said. But I never have met a man stand flat foot in shoe leather and say anything like that. In itself that would be ridiculous.

More than anything it's about the condition of the heart. For we see many different cases in Kings and Chronicles of people who "walked right in God's sight but yet their heart was not perfect before Him." Ita all about the Spirit it's done in. For Paul warned in 2 Thessalonians 2:7 "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way." Iniquity is a powerful spirit, this is exactly the spirit Paul is speaking of in Ephesians 2:2 when he says "the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience" In all things be prayerful and hold tight to the truth given of Proverbs 4:23 "Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life."

God says something very powerful in Jeremiah 17:9-10 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? [10] I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings." In the end only God truly knows. We are not fit even to judge our own heart! I speak blessings over you this day. This is not just to you friend, but spoken to all who will see.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Btw no one ever said quote unqoute not paying tithes would send you to hell. Not paying tithes is robbing God (Malachi 3:9)+thieves can't inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)= "go straight to hell" as you said. But I never have met a man stand flat foot in shoe leather and say anything like that. In itself that would be ridiculous.

Let's take a closer look. Originalist has mentioned several times that the tithe law would never allow the tithe that is being extorted, or taught today. We are threatened with hell because we are robbing God.

What are we accused of robbing God of ? Ten percent of our net or gross income!

Was our income ever eligible for tithing? No, it never was. So if, as in the case of Brother Riggen, we have someone that is accusing that someone is a robber, when what he says we are accused of stealing was never eligible to be tithed, what we have is a false accusation. There has never been any robbery that has taken place, but there has been only a false accusation of theft.

When someone falsely accuses another, has he not lied? If not it sure comes close. Allow me to quote a scripture . . .


[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

I believe that I remember Brother Riggen quoting this passage in his message. So let's think about this. If Brother Riggen is trying to extort tithes out of his members, at the threat of eternal damnation, and at the promise of being excluded from heaven, Is Brother Riggen not guilty of extortion, thievery, and coveting? Because what he is trying to get out of his members, the law never required them to pay. Would he be as aggressive about extorting tithes from them, if the tithe was wheat, barley and herbs?

Think about it.