Do we have to pay tithes?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Why did Pharisees tithe herbs,? Were all Pharisees herbalists? Or did Jesus just have a problem with Pharisees who were herbalists?

Pharisees tithed herbs because herbs are by definition, seed bearing plants. The fact that the pharisees tithed herbs has been hailed by some as evidence that, if they were tithing herbs, then they were certainly tithing money. This is not true. The fact that all of these herbs were seed bearing, qualified them to be tithable according to the tithe law as quoted below . . .

Lev.27
[30] And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD.

Deut.14
[22] Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

The pharisees were tithing according to the law. This is why Jesus said they ought to do so, because they were still under the law. You will never find any portion of the law that requires, suggests, or even allows, tithing money.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Pharisees tithed herbs because herbs are by definition, seed bearing plants. The fact that the pharisees tithed herbs has been hailed by some as evidence that, if they were tithing herbs, then they were certainly tithing money. This is not true. The fact that all of these herbs were seed bearing, qualified them to be tithable according to the tithe law as quoted below . . .

Lev.27
[30] And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD.

Deut.14
[22] Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

The pharisees were tithing according to the law. This is why Jesus said they ought to do so, because they were still under the law. You will never find any portion of the law that requires, suggests, or even allows, tithing money.

The topic of tithing is like crack cocaine for you. Bro, go back and READ my post slowly. This is what is Ecclesiastical PTSD. Wether is ministerial authority, standards of separation, no tithing, or one of the hundreds of interpretations of the different forms of eschatology. It’s all buzz words, which cause the anti and pro whatever the subject to go postal.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The topic of tithing is like crack cocaine for you. Bro, go back and READ my post slowly. This is what is Ecclesiastical PTSD. Wether is ministerial authority, standards of separation, no tithing, or one of the hundreds of interpretations of the different forms of eschatology. It’s all buzz words, which cause the anti and pro whatever the subject to go postal.

Brother, I am responding to your interest, or your expressed interest in my opinion on the message that Brother Riggen preached. You asked, I responded.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I'm waiting to hear your views of Elder Riggen's teaching.

Please listen to the sermon carefully and get back to us.

Do you remember posting the above? I mean, you even used the magic word (which I bolded for your convenience).

How about this, below?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

If you have the time please give us a detailed assessment of the Elder Riggen video. It would be greatly appreciated and you will be able to show us your new found posting skill set.

and then I said . . .

"I plan to do so. I don't want to make myself a liar by saying when. If I recall correctly that message is about two hours, so it will take some time. Should I make a separate thread for it? Or post it on here? I want to respect the efforts of 1ofthechosen.

What do you all think?"

Then you said this, right?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

My advice would be no need for yet another thread. It was posted here, so therefore it would be easier to deal with it here. Also getting passionate, being truthfully honest doesn't disrespect anyone. If my feelings get hurt, Then I am the one who will ultimately deal with that on my own.

AAAAND . . . Then I said this.

"Just as a general comment. Someone who knows Brother Greg Riggen may be able to invite him to debate me on tithing on the debate forum here. I doubt that he would be willing to do so, but I thought it would be a good idea to offer him the opportunity. He may be willing. I shouldn't assume that he wouldn't be. I think he has been on the forum before?"

And then, you said this . . .

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

He is done with this place.

But, listen to his teaching on the subject and give your honest opinion.

Brother, if I have misquoted you please be so kind to point out my error. But it appears that I have you on record four times asking for my opinion on Brother Riggens message on tithing. Allow me to remind you of the title of this thread, "Do we have to pay tithes?".

So you have very politely asked (please, It would be greatly appreciated, etc.) for my opinion, right? And then the other Evangelist Benincasa shows up! You might want to make sure your cat is not posting while you aren't looking? Because this does not sound like it is even the same person.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You are obsessed with the word tithe.

Then you said this.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

TM?

Do you have vanity plates that say TITHE?

and this . . .

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Oh, that's because you're nick is TITHEMISTER!!!!

Brother the above is a sample, not a complete copy of you, first almost begging for my opinion, and subsequently ridiculing me for giving my opinion. One thing about you is you're never boring! I really don't know which EB is going to show up. If you look this over and read it, and if you'll be honest, you'll admit that this looks as bad as my posting used to look. On one hand you ask for my opinion, and on the other you ridicule me for giving it.

It's almost enough to make me resort to posting in lite green.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

One thing about you is you're never boring! I really don't know which EB is going to show up.

You just couldn't do it. But what you did do is take everything and wad it up as some sort of defense. A defense to show that you honestly answered my question. The Elder Riggen issue is old about now. Also, when you asked if he could be invited here to post among us in this horror show. I gave you my honest opinion, but I'll go further. I do believe that he would rather brush his teeth with white phosphorous, and gargle with sulphuric acid then log on and be subjected to this type of banter.

Look what 1ofthechosen has to go through?!

While you say "that's an old argument used by Tithing Pygmies."

Seriously?

Bro, this is as sorry as it goes. Yes, I asked you please go listen, bring forth your assessment. You did, that was fine, but then 100 pages later you bump into my post and do what? You didn't even understand what on earth I was saying. You were stuck in your Anti-Tithing Don Quixote mode. I was just another tithing windmill, even though I gave you my thoughts on what I believed over and over, and over again, and again. I'm like, what is up with that?

Your whole mantra is about 10 percent, when in the New Testament it's a 100%. Listen, do you remember (because you remember all my other posts when you thought they gave you leverage) do you remember when I asked you how much or how less then 10% should someone give? Hey, God ORDERED that those who preached the Gospel should make their vocation from the Gospel 1 Corinthians 9:14. Galatians 6:6 says what? Does it say give only ten percent? Does it say give the joker only ten percent? NO, it says EVERYTHING!!!! But, the Apostle made it clear that it wasn't to be asked for, begged for, or teach a 50 page Bible study for it. He said that he would rather DIE then have them all of a sudden grow a conscience and make his glorying vain. as 2 Corinthians 9:6-8 clearly spells out, the agricultural understanding of reaping and sowing, correlated to giving to the ministry. Therefore by the supporting the ministry you would be blessed, and increased. Everything is left up to the saint/student of God. They were to do it freely, never ever were they to be pushed or REMINDED to give, because if they were, it wouldn't of been REAL.

Bro, posting to you that this subject is Ecclesiastical Crack is my perception of this whole topic. Money is a real sketchy thing, and back in the time of the Agrarian Israelites and Hebralist Pharisees, their herbs, produce, and animals were their bank accounts. But in this day and hour, people get funny over money, on both sides of the pulpit. The Gospel is to be preached without charge, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't freely give from the heart. It's like this, the lender is to lend never expecting it back. The borrower is supposed to borrow but make sure he gives it back. Both sides can either do nothing, or do something.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

"in this day and hour, people get funny over money, on both sides of the pulpit. The Gospel is to be preached without charge, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't freely give from the heart. It's like this, the lender is to lend never expecting it back. The borrower is supposed to borrow but make sure he gives it back. Both sides can either do nothing, or do something."

Man well said brother! But if both sides do nothing, that fellowship is not going to last long! The house of God should be fully self sufficient. People on the outside are never expected to be part of the economy anyway. Then people wonder why they get treated like a outsider. They've shown that they weren't after the best interest of the church in the first place. Just their countenance betrays them, it gives them away. People know who's in, and who's out, it's not hard to tell. You don't even have to have the gift of discernment working, it becomes obvious!

I don't know of any church that's not going to still let them come to the church regardless, either way. I've never heard of anyone getting tossed out for not giving. But I have heard of a lot of people who didn't give, that stopped coming to church altogether! And end up like the UPC preacher of 30 years Aquila posted about. Jesus said it simple "where your heart is, your treasure will be also."