Starbucks and White Guilt

Aquila · #1 05-02-2018, 09:47 AM

Aegsm76, you make some good points.

However, with incorporation comes commitment to abide by civil laws. And there are laws against racial discrimination. Now, any business is indeed legally in the right to ask anyone to leave, especially if they are loitering. But what do you do if you ask a couple customers if they'd like to place an order and they explain that they are waiting on someone? That person might be the one buying their lunch or coffee, or whatever.

I've waited for people in coffee shops, restaurants, and book stores so many times. I've waited up to over an hour before... and nobody has ever approached me or seemed to care one bit. I'm wondering why staff at this Starbucks would make an issue of these men? Perhaps if these specific men had a history of just coming in and hanging out, it would be warranted. But I don't believe that was the case here. The man they were meeting seems to indicate that he's arranged to met other people in that very same Starbucks many times in the past without a problem.

Why do you think the staff at this Starbucks chose to call the police and request that these gentlemen be removed?

aegsm76 · #2 05-02-2018, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Aegsm76, you make some good points.

However, with incorporation comes commitment to abide by civil laws. And there are laws against racial discrimination. Now, any business is indeed legally in the right to ask anyone to leave, especially if they are loitering. But what do you do if you ask a couple customers if they'd like to place an order and they explain that they are waiting on someone? That person might be the one buying their lunch or coffee, or whatever.

I've waited for people in coffee shops, restaurants, and book stores so many times. I've waited up to over an hour before... and nobody has ever approached me or seemed to care one bit. I'm wondering why staff at this Starbucks would make an issue of these men? Perhaps if these specific men had a history of just coming in and hanging out, it would be warranted. But I don't believe that was the case here. The man they were meeting seems to indicate that he's arranged to met other people in that very same Starbucks many times in the past without a problem.

Why do you think the staff at this Starbucks chose to call the police and request that these gentlemen be removed?

I will say that when I wait on someone, I almost always (would say always but I cant remember everytime) order something. Even when we are traveling and we stop to use the facilities, I will order something. Just so I do not feel like I am free loading.
I am still amazed that I have seen no interviews with the Starbucks staff, who called the police. It really feels like almost a cover-up. Either by Starbucks or the media.

Aquila · #3 05-02-2018, 02:07 PM

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I will say that when I wait on someone, I almost always (would say always but I cant remember everytime) order something. Even when we are traveling and we stop to use the facilities, I will order something. Just so I do not feel like I am free loading.
I am still amazed that I have seen no interviews with the Starbucks staff, who called the police. It really feels like almost a cover-up. Either by Starbucks or the media.

I'm getting worried about you guys. lol

I think it is really simple. It is in the best interest of Starbucks to keep things quiet and settle. They don't need, nor want, any negative publicity.

n david · #4 05-02-2018, 02:42 PM

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I'm getting worried about you guys. lol

I think it is really simple. It is in the best interest of Starbucks to keep things quiet and settle. They don't need, nor want, any negative publicity.

The Starbucks CEO is a bleeding heart liberal. He doesn't care whether his employees acted right or did the right thing. You're right that he doesn't want any negative publicity.

Speaking of settling: there was a settlement announced today in which the two men settled for $1 each and the promise by Starbucks' CEO to give $200,000 to establish a youth program for young entrepreneurs.

Aquila · #5 05-02-2018, 02:57 PM

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The Starbucks CEO is a bleeding heart liberal. He doesn't care whether his employees acted right or did the right thing. You're right that he doesn't want any negative publicity.

Speaking of settling: there was a settlement announced today in which the two men settled for $1 each and the promise by Starbucks' CEO to give $200,000 to establish a youth program for young entrepreneurs.

I'd like to see that story. Can you send a link?