Are All Oneness Christians Apostolic By Default?

[Bro Flame]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

They most definitely are charismatic and are more charismatic than Apostolic. Look up the definition of charismatic and then look up the definition of Apostolic.

In a sense, all Apostolics are charismatic, but not all charismatic are Apostolic. These blokes are Oneness charismatics and I stand by my assertion that there is more hope for a Trinitarian Pentecostal who lives a life of holiness than there is for the man who holds the truth in unholiness.

I'm still confused as to how they would be labeled Charismatic. Don't agree there. They self-identify, generally, as Pentecostal Holiness or Holiness Pentecostals.

These groups believe:
The Oneness of God (no Trinity)
Baptism in Jesus' Name (no titles)
Spirit baptism (evidenced by speaking in tongues)
Living a life of holiness (more or less in line with traditional Apostolics)

How do all of these similarities with traditional Apostolic Pentecostals automatically classify them as Charismatic? I was simply asking why one might think they do not carry the Apostolic label.

Again, these are Charismatics. There are differences. These aren't Charismatics.

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by Holy Roller

I'm still confused as to how they would be labeled Charismatic. Don't agree there. They self-identify, generally, as Pentecostal Holiness or Holiness Pentecostals.

These groups believe:
The Oneness of God (no Trinity)
Baptism in Jesus' Name (no titles)
Spirit baptism (evidenced by speaking in tongues)
Living a life of holiness (more or less in line with traditional Apostolics)

How do all of these similarities with traditional Apostolic Pentecostals automatically classify them as Charismatic? I was simply asking why one might think they do not carry the Apostolic label.

Again, these are Charismatics. There are differences. These aren't Charismatics.

They are unholy in living and probably lost. Loose living is not conducive to spirituality and holiness. At least a meth whore, in her lucid moments, can be convinced of her need for salvation and holiness There isn't anything you can say or do to convince the people you describe of their need for holiness. Therefore, they are probably unsaved. Probably damned and drowned in deception. God is able to save these folks, but I don't know how He will work these folks, along with all other charismatics, into His Eternal Kingdom.

[n david]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

They are unholy in living and probably lost. Loose living is not conducive to spirituality and holiness. At least a meth whore, in her lucid moments, can be convinced of her need for salvation and holiness There isn't anything you can say or do to convince the people you describe of their need for holiness. Therefore, they are probably unsaved. Probably damned and drowned in deception. God is able to save these folks, but I don't know how He will work these folks, along with all other charismatics, into His Eternal Kingdom.

"Probably."

Do you know these people to whom HR is referring? Or do you always just assume the worst about people you've never met or know?

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by n david

"Probably."

Do you know these people to whom HR is referring? Or do you always just assume the worst about people you've never met or know?

Probably is better than speaking with absolute assurance on something I don't have absolute assurance. God is able to save them-- but a "meth whore" knows her station at the point she decides to approach the Throne of Grace.

"Even the dogs lick the crumbs..."

These other folks are probably attempting to prepare to sit at the tabe for bread and wine, but they won't be wearing the right clothes.

[n david]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

Probably is better than speaking with absolute assurance on something I don't have absolute assurance. God is able to save them-- but a "meth whore" knows her station at the point she decides to approach the Throne of Grace.

"Even the dogs lick the crumbs..."

These other folks are probably attempting to prepare to sit at the tabe for bread and wine, but they won't be wearing the right clothes.

Do you know these people? Or do you always assume the worst about people you don't know?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

Probably is better than speaking with absolute assurance on something I don't have absolute assurance. God is able to save them-- but a "meth whore" knows her station at the point she decides to approach the Throne of Grace.

"Even the dogs lick the crumbs..."

These other folks are probably attempting to prepare to sit at the table for bread and wine, but they won't be wearing the right clothes.

Brother this whole meth whore reference in 3 different posts is probably a little uncalled for terminology. IJS but don't mind me though... I'm just trolling right now, in the words of Houston.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

They are unholy in living and probably lost. Loose living is not conducive to spirituality and holiness. At least a meth whore, in her lucid moments, can be convinced of her need for salvation and holiness There isn't anything you can say or do to convince the people you describe of their need for holiness. Therefore, they are probably unsaved. Probably damned and drowned in deception. God is able to save these folks, but I don't know how He will work these folks, along with all other charismatics, into His Eternal Kingdom.

You say all this behind cut hair? I'm not saying 1 Corinthians 11 didn't say it shouldn't be cut, but you believe thats a salvational issue seriously? Like don't past go, don't collect 200 dollars, go straight to hell? I can't honestly say that, maybe the pastor who wasn't teaching the truth, but I can't say thay for sure about the people in the church. That's like Brother Michael saying people are going to hell behind eschatology?

[Bro Flame]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

You say all this behind cut hair? I'm not saying 1 Corinthians 11 didn't say it shouldn't be cut, but you believe thats a salvational issue seriously? Like don't past go, don't collect 200 dollars, go straight to hell? I can't honestly say that, maybe the pastor who wasn't teaching the truth, but I can't say thay for sure about the people in the church. That's like Brother Michael saying people are going to hell behind eschatology?

From what I gather, these people believe traditional holiness like most old-school Holiness Pentecostals. The only thing that differs from the onset is that their ladies cut their hair. Apparently, they interpret the verse from 1 Corinthians about long hair as the ladies can cut their hair as long as it's long. Personally, I can see how one would get that impression. I certainly won't put anyone in hell for seeing that interpretation. I was simply asking why they may not self-describe as Apostolic. I wasn't wanting to debate their salvation, especially when I myself don't know them all that well.

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

They are unholy in living and probably lost. Loose living is not conducive to spirituality and holiness. At least a meth whore, in her lucid moments, can be convinced of her need for salvation and holiness There isn't anything you can say or do to convince the people you describe of their need for holiness. Therefore, they are probably unsaved. Probably damned and drowned in deception. God is able to save these folks, but I don't know how He will work these folks, along with all other charismatics, into His Eternal Kingdom.

I disagree. I don't believe that these people are unsaved or deceived. Honestly, I'm shocked at how quickly you are to pass judgment on them when you haven't the slightest who these people are. I'm glad they can't see what has been said.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Holy Roller

How do all of these similarities with traditional Apostolic Pentecostals automatically classify them as Charismatic?

The reason Bucky has jumped the cliff is because you mentioned that the ladies cut their hair. That = charismatic.

To Bucky, it's better being a "meth whore" than a oneness believing, spirit-filled woman who cuts her hair, or minister who allows women to cut their hair.