Are All Oneness Christians Apostolic By Default?

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

The meth addict knows his place and upon coming to Jesus, his spirit with be tender and his heart will be pliable. Faith and holiness will not be an issue for him.

The holy-living Trinitarian Pentecostal is showing with their lives that God is at work and thus, they might very well be in a spiritual "safer" place than the so-called unholy living Apostolic who has the Truth but lives a life void of holiness.

The unholy Apostolic is living in a place of open rebellion and according to the Bible, he is operating in witchcraft. He cannot be convinced of his rebellion and need for Jesus because he is already saved, in his mind. Sadly, he has no clothes on and the clothes he would have access to are more than likely not appropriate for the Table.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Huh?

Originally Posted by Holy Roller

I'm lost, too.

The Bible calls for a life of holiness.
Hebrews 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord...

The Bible gives hope for the meth addict because once she realizes the Call of Christ, her heart will be tender and pliable so that she can receive salvation and biblical teaching concerning holiness.
Luke 19:10
The Son of Man came to seek and save the lost.

The reason why there is hope for the holy-living Trinitarian Pentecostal because their lives reflect the holiness that God is calling for. This is probably a sign of God working in their lives, despite their lack of understanding. The verse below establishes holiness as God's Way and that even those who do not understand will be able to walk that holy highway. However, the unclean cannot.
Isaiah 35:8
And a highway shall be there, and it shall be called the Way of Holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it. It shall belong to those who walk on the way; even if they are fools, they shall not go astray.

First of all, to speak of an unholy Apostolic is a misnomer, but for the sake of this conversation, the only way an unholy Apostolic can exist would be for that unholy man to be living in a place of rebellion-- which is witchcraft.
I Samuel 15:23
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Just as God rejected Saul, it is not far-fetched to look at unholy Apostolics as rejected by God.


So these so-called unholy Apostolics have the Truth you say. Yes, they have been invited to the Great Banquet. They will come in and attempt to have a seat only to have the king throw them out of the venue because they are not properly dressed for the event. Yes, this is what you would call a double entendre-- because I am speaking about physical clothing (for the earthly, unholy Apostolics' unholiness does not and will not stop with cut hair) and spiritual clothing as well because the rebellious are not clothed in righteousness.
Matthew 22:11 - 14
11 But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 12 ‘Friend,’ he asked, ‘how did you get in here without wedding clothes?’ The man was speechless. 13 Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

First of all, to speak of an unholy Apostolic is a misnomer, but for the sake of this conversation, the only way an unholy Apostolic can exist would be for that unholy man to be living in a place of rebellion-- which is witchcraft.

I Samuel 15:23
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Just as God rejected Saul, it is not far-fetched to look at unholy Apostolics as rejected by God.


So these so-called unholy Apostolics have the Truth you say. Yes, they have been invited to the Great Banquet. They will come in and attempt to have a seat only to have the king throw them out of the venue because they are not properly dressed for the event. Yes, this is what you would call a double entendre-- because I am speaking about physical clothing (for the earthly, unholy Apostolics' unholiness does not and will not stop with cut hair) and spiritual clothing as well because the rebellious are not clothed in righteousness.

Matthew 22:11 - 14
11 But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 12 ‘Friend,’ he asked, ‘how did you get in here without wedding clothes?’ The man was speechless. 13 Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

First of all, the cutting off from God doesn't end there. Exodus 22:18 gives you a job as well. Which means you are to put the rebellious one to death.

Bucky?

How's is that accomplished?

Matthew 22:11-14

Is parallel they were Revelation 6:11 has nothing to do with clothes.

It has to do with purity in the law.

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

First of all, the cutting off from God doesn't end there. Exodus 22:18 gives you a job as well. Which means you are to put the rebellious one to death.

Bucky?

How's is that accomplished?

Matthew 22:11-14

Is parallel they were Revelation 6:11 has nothing to do with clothes.

It has to do with purity in the law.

Clothing is mentioned because it is something the audience could identify with. When you are called to a wedding, show up at the wedding clothed in apparel appropriate for a wedding. Do not act as if the connection I have made is lost on you.

It isn't.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

Clothing is mentioned because it is something the audience could identify with. When you are called to a wedding, show up at the wedding clothed in apparel appropriate for a wedding. Do not act as if the connection I have made is lost on you.

It isn't.

I understand that you were vaporized by Thanos, that Cap was shocked at losing you. But, please understand what clothed means in the verse. It means that they were worthy to attend. It is symbolism not literalism. I believe in standards of separation, probably more than you, especially since you are from Ohio. But you can't use that scripture to prove that we should all wear white robes.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I understand that you were vaporized by Thanos, that Cap was shocked at losing you. But, please understand what clothed means in the verse. It means that they were worthy to attend. It is symbolism not literalism. I believe in standards of separation, probably more than you, especially since you are from Ohio. But you can't use that scripture to prove that we should all wear white robes.

Who gives you the robe btw? These people didn't dress theirself, you understand that, don't you Bucky?

These people didn't get to clothe theirselves in white robes, and this other guy didn't just decide to show up in come as you are attire! That's not at all what the parable is speaking of. I've actually never heard anyone try to use that parable with dress standards, I can honestly say that's a first..

Pointing at this passage like "see I told you it talks bout them charismatic's specifically right there! Told you they were in there!" You make us sound like a bunch of nut jobs for sure. I believe in outward and inward holiness, but all that's just extreme and ridiculous.

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I understand that you were vaporized by Thanos, that Cap was shocked at losing you. But, please understand what clothed means in the verse. It means that they were worthy to attend. It is symbolism not literalism. I believe in standards of separation, probably more than you, especially since you are from Ohio. But you can't use that scripture to prove that we should all wear white robes.

It is a parable. There is truth and symbolism involved. We are to be clothed in His righteousness. I never said that the scripture was only about clothes, but there is an obvious and practical application here. The truth I am defending is elucidated here, regardless of the shadows you are casting.