A Handmaids Tale

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Jesus ate with publicans and sinners, he came to seek and save that which was lost. The penalty for sin is death, but Jesus paid the penalty so that we don't have to. Those who repent and obey the gospel can attain eternal life, those who don't are sentenced to death at the final judgment.

1 Cor 6:9-11
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

And thank God for the Gospel. However, are you saying that government should no longer punish evil? Surely you aren't advocating that government should not prosecute crime?

I haven't read the book you quoted from, but you did say it was liberal propaganda, I believe? So, it is going to paint Christian society in the worst light possible.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Esaias

And thank God for the Gospel. However, are you saying that government should no longer punish evil? Surely you aren't advocating that government should not prosecute crime?

I haven't read the book you quoted from, but you did say it was liberal propaganda, I believe? So, it is going to paint Christian society in the worst light possible.

yes the govt should punish evil, just don't think capital punishment for everything is a great idea.

I had never considered the possible rise of a Christian society, that parallels Muslim Sharia law, and I was just very curious and wanted to talk about it.

I know that you are a theonomist and it is the one thing about you that baffles me and I wanted to talk about that.

Also, I don't relish the idea of losing the right to vote, speak in in any sort of public discourse, have any type of money or property, and who knows what else as a female.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

yes the govt should punish evil, just don't think capital punishment for everything is a great idea.

I had never considered the possible rise of a Christian society, that parallels Muslim Sharia law, and I was just very curious and wanted to talk about it.

I know that you are a theonomist and it is the one thing about you that baffles me and I wanted to talk about that.

Also, I don't relish the idea of losing the right to vote, speak in in any sort of public discourse, have any type of money or property, and who knows what else as a female.

Well, let's talk about it.

First, let me make clear what theonomy is. The word means "God's Law". By God's Law is meant the whole Bible, the entire Word of God. The fundamental premise or basic idea behind theonomy is that God, being our Creator, has the Right to dictate how mankind should live. God's authority extends not only to certain individuals, but ALL individuals, all families, all tribes, all nations.

Since all individuals owe God allegiance, it follows then that all nations, all societies, all organizations of men, likewise owe God allegiance. All government, whether individual, family, or national, owe God their obedience.

Theonomy assumes as a fact that God knows best how we are to live. It follows that God knows best how to organize a society. God took Israel, formed them into a nation, and gave them Law for the governing of their society. Israel was supposed to be the example to all other nations, especially in how a society is supposed to function (Deut 4:5-8). So that the nations would learn how to live the "right way" (cf Isaiah 2:3).

Furthermore, theonomy asserts the mission of the church is to teach all nations to obey Christ (Matt 28:18-20) and that includes declaring to civil authorities the word of God on all subjects (Eph 3:10).

So, what all the Word says on the subject of, say family life, is God's revealed will for family life. And is BEST for families. Likewise, what all the Word says on the subject of government, is God's revealed will for government. And is BEST for government.

So, any questions you have are welcomed.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Well, let's talk about it.

First, let me make clear what theonomy is. The word means "God's Law". By God's Law is meant the whole Bible, the entire Word of God. The fundamental premise or basic idea behind theonomy is that God, being our Creator, has the Right to dictate how mankind should live. God's authority extends not only to certain individuals, but ALL individuals, all families, all tribes, all nations.

Since all individuals owe God allegiance, it follows then that all nations, all societies, all organizations of men, likewise owe God allegiance. All government, whether individual, family, or national, owe God their obedience.

Theonomy assumes as a fact that God knows best how we are to live. It follows that God knows best how to organize a society. God took Israel, formed them into a nation, and gave them Law for the governing of their society. Israel was supposed to be the example to all other nations, especially in how a society is supposed to function (Deut 4:5-8). So that the nations would learn how to live the "right way" (cf Isaiah 2:3).

Furthermore, theonomy asserts the mission of the church is to teach all nations to obey Christ (Matt 28:18-20) and that includes declaring to civil authorities the word of God on all subjects (Eph 3:10).

So, what all the Word says on the subject of, say family life, is God's revealed will for family life. And is BEST for families. Likewise, what all the Word says on the subject of government, is God's revealed will for government. And is BEST for government.

So, any questions you have are welcomed.

Who could argue against what you have said, of course God knows best. and God's word is perfect. It's mans interpretation of God's word that I don't trust. It's the thought of implementing a Christian rule by corrupt men, twisted into something God never intended, as long as we have free will, I think we need a govt with separation of powers as our founders originally intended.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Who could argue against what you have said, of course God knows best. and God's word is perfect. It's mans interpretation of God's word that I don't trust. It's the thought of implementing a Christian rule by corrupt men, twisted into something God never intended, as long as we have free will, I think we need a govt with separation of powers as our founders originally intended.

If corrupt twisted men rule, then it doesn't matter what system of law a society gives lip service to, the result will be... well, exactly what we have now, and then some.

So, man's wickedness is no reason to object to the Word of God as the rule of law.

Regarding free will, as long as we have free will we will have sin, sinners, and crime. And what is the law made for?

But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
(1 Timothy 1:8-11)

It is specifically made for "people with free will".