Saved Without A Pastor??

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Oh, you make it sound so good. What is missing? Scripture.

Have you once given scripture that will stand alone and show what you are saying?

Who has quoted more relevant scripture here?

Me? Or the two of you?

It must be frustrating to have absolutely NO scripture to say what you are touting. Not one passage that includes the word pastor.

Meanwhile I have given multiple examples of the churches being overseen by a plurality of elders. Have I not?

Please answer the question.

I must have missed something is this a debate on if the angel was a person or angelic being? Or is the question did every church have only one person as the leader? What am I missing here?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

I must have missed something is this a debate on if the angel was a person or angelic being? Or is the question did every church have only one person as the leader? What am I missing here?

I think both are relevant to the debate.

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

I think both are relevant to the debate.

Ok could you answer my probability question?

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

I think both are relevant to the debate.

According to Paul, elders were to be ordained in every city by Titus.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

According to Paul, elders were to be ordained in every city by Titus.

How many in each city

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

How many in each city

Just had a thought, as many as there were diaspora synagogues which converted to the Apostolic faith.

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by Amanah

How many in each city

No idea.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

No idea.

But elder can also be a interchangeable word for Pastor or Apostle as we see in 1 Peter 5 because they all were shepherds to the flock.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

But elder can also be a interchangeable word for Pastor or Apostle as we see in 1 Peter 5 because they all were shepherds to the flock.

Elder covers all five titles.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

But elder can also be a interchangeable word for Pastor or Apostle as we see in 1 Peter 5 because they all were shepherds to the flock.

We agree on something. I think I'll retire.

Of course an elder is a broad term. A pastor or apostle is more specific. So all pastors, apostles, teachers, evangelists, and prophets would be elders. All elders would probably or perhaps always perform the duties of one of these offices, sometimes more than one, but probably never all of them. This is how I understand it today.

Kind of like all priests in the OT were Levites, but not all Levites were priests.