Saved Without A Pastor??

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The entire book is symbolic. The seven angels are also seven candle sticks. Should we believe that John was also speaking with a anglic being who was also an oil lamp?

thank you, that makes sense.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

thank you, that makes sense.

Revelation 1:20 speaks of seven stars being held in the right hand of Jesus. Who is in the middle of a seven fluted oil lamp. This oil lamp is connected to these seven stars seated in His right hand. The seven stars are these seven angels which are messengers to the lamp, which are called out assemblies located in Asia Minor. The oil lamps, stars, and angels are all connected. Revelation 2:5 shows where one of the branches of the menorah is in danger of being removed, from the angel. The angel here is being rebuked and told that it has fallen, and needs to get things right. Are we to believe that the angel is a fallen angel over the city of Ephesus? No, it is a guiding star, Jude 1:12-13 false ministry is considered to be wandering stars. Stars in ancient times were used to plot a course, to seek correct direction. In Revelation the stars are found in the right hand of Christ the ancient of days. Which means Christ is in control, if these stars remain fixed, and therefore can continue to have the light unto their feet from the word which fuels the candlesticks. In Jude, the wandering stars are reserved for "darkness" which is a condition which is void of light, which is knowledge of God's word. These wandering stars are not in His hands but go as they please, under their own human will. They have no headship from their head which is Christ. Therefore, no headship, no light, no right hand position of authority, and lastly no knowledge.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Revelation 1:20 speaks of seven stars being held in the right hand of Jesus. Who is in the middle of a seven fluted oil lamp. This oil lamp is connected to these seven stars seated in His right hand. The seven stars are these seven angels which are messengers to the lamp, which are called out assemblies located in Asia Minor. The oil lamps, stars, and angels are all connected. Revelation 2:5 shows where one of the branches of the menorah is in danger of being removed, from the angel. The angel here is being rebuked and told that it has fallen, and needs to get things right. Are we to believe that the angel is a fallen angel over the city of Ephesus? No, it is a guiding star, Jude 1:12-13 false ministry is considered to be wandering stars. Stars in ancient times were used to plot a course, to seek correct direction. In Revelation the stars are found in the right hand of Christ the ancient of days. Which means Christ is in control, if these stars remain fixed, and therefore can continue to have the light unto their feet from the word which fuels the candlesticks. In Jude, the wandering stars are reserved for "darkness" which is a condition which is void of light, which is knowledge of God's word. These wandering stars are not in His hands but go as they please, under their own human will. They have no headship from their head which is Christ. Therefore, no headship, no light, no right hand position of authority, and lastly no knowledge.

Well said Brother! So a lot of so called Pastor's are apostate. But there are those who appointed and placed there by God, held in His hand. "For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."

In what you just said we can see what Hebrews 13:7 was meaning "Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you." So fighting leadership when its appointed by Christ, would be the same as to fight against Christ. Its that simple. This is the second time weve had this conversation last time Originalist and Tithesmeister double teamed me, and kept saying that was angelic beings, regardless of what thr scripture said. Now, I see you see the same thing thats all that matters. In the words of Elder Westberg "Let the dog's bark, but let the truck roll!" Moving on..

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Well said Brother! So a lot of so called Pastor's are apostate. But there are those who appointed and placed there by God, held in His hand. "For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."

In what you just said we can see what Hebrews 13:7 was meaning "Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you." So fighting leadership when its appointed by Christ, would be the same as to fight against Christ. Its that simple. This is the second time we've had this conversation last time Originalist and Tithesmeister double teamed me, and kept saying that was angelic beings, regardless of what the scripture said. Now, I see you see the same thing thats all that matters. In the words of Elder Westberg "Let the dog's bark, but let the truck roll!" Moving on..

Elder Westberg said that? I thought my dad came up with that? Sometimes you're the windshield sometimes you're the bug I thought my mom came up with that? Anyway, those two brothers wouldn't double team you, no one double teams anyone around here. We just get in discussions which may not agree with others on the forum. Like Elder James LeDeay, he would take on like 5 posters at a time. He is like the IP Man of eschatology.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Elder Westberg said that? I thought my dad came up with that? Sometimes you're the windshield sometimes you're the bug I thought my mom came up with that? Anyway, those two brothers wouldn't double team you, no one double teams anyone around here. We just get in discussions which may not agree with others on the forum. Like Elder James LeDeay, he would take on like 5 posters at a time. He is like the IP Man of eschatology.

Lol...

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Revelation 1:20 speaks of seven stars being held in the right hand of Jesus. Who is in the middle of a seven fluted oil lamp. This oil lamp is connected to these seven stars seated in His right hand. The seven stars are these seven angels which are messengers to the lamp, which are called out assemblies located in Asia Minor. The oil lamps, stars, and angels are all connected. Revelation 2:5 shows where one of the branches of the menorah is in danger of being removed, from the angel. The angel here is being rebuked and told that it has fallen, and needs to get things right. Are we to believe that the angel is a fallen angel over the city of Ephesus? No, it is a guiding star, Jude 1:12-13 false ministry is considered to be wandering stars. Stars in ancient times were used to plot a course, to seek correct direction. In Revelation the stars are found in the right hand of Christ the ancient of days. Which means Christ is in control, if these stars remain fixed, and therefore can continue to have the light unto their feet from the word which fuels the candlesticks. In Jude, the wandering stars are reserved for "darkness" which is a condition which is void of light, which is knowledge of God's word. These wandering stars are not in His hands but go as they please, under their own human will. They have no headship from their head which is Christ. Therefore, no headship, no light, no right hand position of authority, and lastly no knowledge.

Thank you Elder, excellent teaching.

Also thank you because you are someone who actually cares about people.

Jer 3:15 - And I will give you shepherds after my own heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding.