Did Jesus Wear Pants? - Page 17

Evang.Benincasa · #**161** 06-27-2018, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

The wise can see what offers common sense and balance, and what is purely rigid extremism. Allow them to examine the issue.

While thinking yourself wise you become as a fool.

Chris, you are just bad logic which goes in the opposite direction. Yet, you have already told the forum that you have issues far greater than a bit of cloth. Go find an Apostolic Church, Church family, and Pastor.

Evang.Benincasa · #**162** 06-27-2018, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Think of T-shirts. They were originally designed for men too. But today, I've not heard of any churches that would condemn a woman for wearing a T-shirt.

Really, what was the first t shirt made from?

Guess what, you can't Google it.

Aquila · #**163** 06-27-2018, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Really, what was the first t shirt made from?

Guess what, you can't Google it.

T-shirts as we know them:

History of the T-shirt
http://www.teefetch.com/history-of-the-t-shirt/

houston · #**164** 06-27-2018, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by consapente89

Panty hose? I've heard Elder Morton preach that a lady is not fully dressed if she isn't wearing panty hose, and I agree...at least for services. I don't think we need Pentecostal ladies coming to church with bare legs.

Thy wear skirts to their toes there. Why would they need hose?

Evang.Benincasa · #**165** 06-27-2018, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by houston

Thy wear skirts to their toes there. Why would they need hose?

Exactly.

Apostolic1ness · #**166** 06-27-2018, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Good point.

I think purpose is a factor to consider. Would these "skirts" to serve some kind of purpose, or are they just the efforts of fashion designers to offer a new line of cross dressing? Intent should be discerned. Also, mere novelty of fashion and fad do not establish a cultural norm. I predict that fads will come and go. However, if something serves a purpose of some kind and endures for a generation or more, it begins to become more of a norm. So, while we'd do well to reject men's skirts... if they "catch on" and begin to endure for a generation or two, at some point, it they will be a norm, and people in our culture will see them no differently than an American "kilt" tradition.

We're already allowing something every day in our churches that would have been a scandal several hundred years ago. Let me illustrate this...

Let's say articles (A) and (B) were originally created for men and worn by men for several generations. And then culture begins a shift in style. As it does, men cease wearing (A) and (B) and women start wearing (A) and (B) to the point that it becomes a norm. Are (A) and (B) an abomination on a woman? Or has the shift in culture now allowed for women to wear (A) and (B)?

Please note, I speak of high heels and hosiery.

Think of T-shirts. They were originally designed for men too. But today, I've not heard of any churches that would condemn a woman for wearing a T-shirt.

This is why I wish the Apostolic Church would reject fads and fashions of the world. If we had a true desire to be separate from the world we would see this kind of thing coming from miles away. I understand to a certain point we allow the world to set the fashion of the day for the church, but we should be more focused on being pleasing to God than dolling ourselves up to fit in with this world's fashion and culture. Since when did Jesus die to save culture.

Deuteronomy 22:5 never states intent only action so IMAO the action regardless of the intent will be looked at by God as sin.

I wander why we draw a line around pants and skirts as if these two are the only garments that pertain to one or the other gender?

Is it OK for a woman to wear a man's shirt, jacket, boots?
Is it OK for a man to wear a woman's shirt, jacket, boots?

can a woman put on a mans sports jacket to stay warm in a cold church?
can a man put on a woman's blouse to stay warm in a cold church?

Do we ignore every other type of gender specific attire because we only care about skirts and pants, or do we incorporate all gender specific attire.

What does the scripture say?

Aquila · #**167** 06-27-2018, 10:46 AM

If we consider the pants question in light of Christian modesty, I think we all can agree that women's pants are rarely modest. And so, with simply the admonition for women to dress modestly we have a sound and biblical reason to admonish women to not wear women's pants.

Also, by considering the topic in light of modesty, we divorce it from he various interpretations, questions, and controversies that are a part of nearly every discussion on Deuteronomy 22:5.

We land in the same place. But with grace and balance.

Amanah · #**168** 06-27-2018, 10:47 AM

Apostolic1ness, do you have a list of what women can/cant wear, can you share it here on the forum?

also, do you have a picture you can share from one of your church services so we can see.

Aquila · #**169** 06-27-2018, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

This is why I wish the Apostolic Church would reject fads and fashions of the world. If we had a true desire to be separate from the world we would see this kind of thing coming from miles away. I understand to a certain point we allow the world to set the fashion of the day for the church, but we should be more focused on being pleasing to God than dolling ourselves up to fit in with this world's fashion and culture. Since when did Jesus die to save culture.

Deuteronomy 22:5 never states intent only action so IMAO the action regardless of the intent will be looked at by God as sin.

I wander why we draw a line around pants and skirts as if these two are the only garments that pertain to one or the other gender?

Is it OK for a woman to wear a man's shirt, jacket, boots?
Is it OK for a man to wear a woman's shirt, jacket, boots?

can a woman put on a mans sports jacket to stay warm in a cold church?
can a man put on a woman's blouse to stay warm in a cold church?

Do we ignore every other type of gender specific attire because we only care about skirts and pants, or do we incorporate all gender specific attire.

What does the scripture say?

I think the question begs an understanding of intent. I'd like to point out something about Deuteronomy 22:5...

Deuteronomy 22:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.

The way I read it is that all the individuals who do this are an abomination against God. No article of clothing in and of itself is the abomination. It is the individual, which implies a distinct sinful disposition in the person, a perversion, if you will.

Aquila · #**170** 06-27-2018, 10:54 AM

If pants on a woman are an abomination according to Deuteronomy 22:5... if a woman comes to church in pants, is born again and baptized, will the church provide her a skirt to wear home? Or will the church allow her to dawn an abomination to wear home?

If it is strictly an abomination for a woman to wear pants per Deuteronomy 22:5... certainly a church is endangering a woman's soul by allowing her to put the pants she wore to church back on.

But... if we take the issue of pants as being an issue of Christian discipline and modesty (as I propose), we have no fear of allowing the violation Deuteronomy 22:5 when she puts her pants back on. In fact, we can not worry about it all, knowing that she will now be handled with love and patience, as she is taught in the Word and is encouraged to aspire to Christian modesty.