Did Jesus Wear Pants?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You don't do that. There is a thread on this forum concerning this subject and you pasted it with pictures. You also offered two articles which don't only deal with scripture but bring up history. So, history is good as long as it is to your advantage? OK, I'll keep that in mind for this, and whatever else you post from here on out. Good job Chris. Your breath must smell of foot.

Yes, I've quoted history. I'm not against it. I'm just illustrating that it isn't holy writ and can be rather biased.

Bible doesn't jot down every article of clothing, if it did you would win this argument. Yet, you go round and round looking for historical drawings on the internet.

Both sides of the discussion have done this.

That's because you don't know what the verse is actually saying. It uses words that are male specific and female specific.

Obfuscation. Yes, it speaks specifically of male and female. But it doesn't specify the article. It makes a general statement. This is why interpretations have ranged from it being about women wearing body armor, to women wearing a weapon, to women wearing pants.

God is clearly condemning an abominable practice. A perversion. Not giving edicts on form and fashion. Besides, every honest soul knows that the outer garments of both men and women were very similar in design. Women's were longer, more colorful, and were often decorated with design. If such subtleties set them apart... certainly the sequins, embroidered heart patterns, and cut of women's pants would set them apart from men's pants. So yes, if those are the pants you enjoy wearing, please note, they pertain to a woman.

Chris it isn't cannabis, that was the generic Hebrew word for cane, any kind.

There's far more to it than that. Look it up. There are even ancient trade manifests that list it, and in many manuscripts, drawings. There's a documentary that is nearly 2 hours long on the history of this and many other resources.

But here's one I've posted before:

So, when you are deceiving the people of God that reefer is cool with God, you have no scripture. Hey, don't feel so bad, dopers also believe the mushroom was manna from heaven.

Total mischaracterization again. I.E. … a lie. I never said that people should think that "reefer is cool with God". I've said that medicinally it can be of value. And God not only calls all that He created good, He gave us dominion over it, even stating every herb of the ground shall be for meat, meaning there is no prohibition on consumption. Now, general principles do apply. Consuming fermented grape juice to excess is drunkenness. I'd say the same for any other substance, including cough syrups that are often abused.

Just stop the lies already.

Holy oil? Chris, it wasn't reefer.

I don't know if you looked into this or not. There is debate on the ingredients. What was found was that if the keneh-bosem listed was cannabis, the oil actually would not only bring a subtle sense of peace, but it even helps to heal lesions on the skin, even reversing the dermatological effects of diabetes. But interestingly enough, if the recipe is made from the "traditional" idea of what was in it, it's actually riddled with toxins and doesn't provide any significant medical value aside from moisturization and some vitamin provision for the skin.

So, let the individual be the judge.

China? Bro, the Chinese were pagans they also did all sorts of drugs mixed with their religion

The Chinese may have been pagan. But they were lightyears ahead of the Western cultures in the way of medicines and treating numerous ailments. Now, as with all things human, this doesn't mean that every single treatment was beneficial. So, don't bother looking up some crazy treatment that we all know is an ancient misguided notion. But what was written about cannabis and how it was used as a pain killer is pretty solid. And, I don't think they "smoked" it. It was more an ingredient for ointments and balms.

Chris, your so called research is all around you of those who smoked all their lives. Who gave it up because even though they smoked weed they were even more tortured. Because the THC amplified their intrusive thoughts!!!!

I know tortured souls who abused food too. That doesn't mean a hamburger is sin. They were abusers, tokers, pot-heads, stoners, and hippies. They most likely abused alcohol and women too. To compare them to a Parkinson's patient who used to be a decorated police officer, who takes medical cannabis to alleviate the symptoms of his conditions is a brazen mischaracterization. Another "lie".

Do you guys ever tell the truth?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The first woman's wristwatch is credited to Abraham-Louis Breguet (1747-1823) who made the watch for the Queen of Naples on June 8, 1810, and Patek Philippe made a wristwatch for Countess Koscowicz of Hungary in 1869. During this time, and onward for the next 100-120 years, men viewed wristwatches as women’s items. As a result, men would carry pocket watches in their waist coat.

Why isn't anyone crying out against the existence of men's wrist watches? lol

OK, back to Pastor Chris and logic

New Convert: "Why can't I wear my jeans? "

Pastor Chris: "Would you like to hear a story about the first woman's wristwatch which was credited to Abraham-Louis Breguet? But maybe you should talk to my wife?"

New Convert: "Pastor Chris? Why do you and your wife have the same first name but not last names?"

New Convert: "Why can't I wear my jeans? "

Pastor Chris' girlfriend: "Oh hello! well, there was once a watchmaker and he made a watch for a woman. So, because of that Pastor Chris believes women look shapely in jeans.

New Convert: "oh, so all I have to do is make sure I don't wear jeans with the little pocket over the front pocket which was created to hold pocket watches?"

Pastor Chris' girlfriend: "Um, ah, here, smoke this"

[Evang.Benincasa]

Chris, does keneh bosem means reefer?

It doesn't mean marijuana, it means sweet cane, actually referring to generically any type of cane or reed. Marijuana isn't a cane plant.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Chris you have zero idea of what you speak.

Really? I can tell just by the conversation that you've been learning some things about this as we progress.

Chris, because it is a mind medication, and these people don't have the benefit of knowing that there is another way. The Holy Ghost. Chris, if you ever had received the Holy Ghost you wouldn't seek another way. Because you would have the peace that passeth all understanding. You would know that marijuana can't eclipse the power of the Holy Ghost.

So, if a dear brother or sister has MS, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, Cancer, or some other debilitating condition... and they are suffering tremendously and the typically prescribed prescription drugs aren't helping, and they resort to cannabis, they don't have the Holy Ghost?

Where's your humanity? Where's your understanding and compassion for suffering brothers and sisters?

It's all pie in the sky health, dreamy peace, and divine healings handed out like candy in EB's world. And I'm accused of being disconnected from realty?

Good grief.

Here me EB. One day, hopefully later than sooner, you'll get sick. You'll come down with some condition you never dreamed of getting, or perhaps a condition you've never heard of. You'll pray for healing. You're family will pray for healing. Your church will pray for healing. Shoot, even your doctors might pray for healing. And guess what, EB? It won't come. You'll draw your last breath, surrounded by those you love, in a bed like everyone else. So, know this... even if every prayer for healing you've ever prayed has produced miraculous results. One day, you'll experience being denied a healing. Hopefully you'll be a 177 years old. But one day, you'll experience what it is like when healing tarries. And you know what... no one should dare say you don't have the Holy Ghost if you seek some form of medication or treatment. I know I wouldn't.

Chris, did you smoke tea leaves in Amsterdam?

Ahhhh… Amsterdam. LOL

You have had myself and three other posters tell you of their testimonies of drug culture. If you had any idea of what you speak you would acknowledge what we have witnessed to you. I haven't read anything concerning dope from the Nixon Administration. You might of. But the Bible says don't go after φαρμάκων which is listed among things like theft. So, there is your book.

I truly do take your testimonies seriously. But as I said before, they are testimonies of abusers. Men who were out of control. Ungoverned. Men who most likely abused alcohol, women, and anything else they could abuse. I praise God that those men were crucified and buried in a watery grave so that I could meet the men who now stand as my brothers (though they refuse to count me as a brother) in Christ today.

But the abuser isn't the rule. People abuse food, sex, alcohol, drugs, the internet, salt, aspirin, cough syrup, etc. People even abuse...the Bible. The abuse of a thing doesn't define the thing, it defines the people.

If someone takes cannabis for any medicinal value after looking deeply into it, consulting a physician, or even personal research... I don't judge them.

Sorceries are practices involving substances with pagan ritual. You can use communion wine in sorcery. It doesn't make communion wine a sin.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yes, I've quoted history. I'm not against it. I'm just illustrating that it isn't holy writ and can be rather biased.

Dude, and commentary isn't? You should read a book called Lying With Maps.
Bible dictionaries are biased, depending on who is writing them.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Both sides of the discussion have done this.

No liberals post pictures of guys in hotel robes and 1923 Arab bedouins.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Obfuscation. Yes, it speaks specifically of male and female. But it doesn't specify the article.

It also doesn't give the dimensions of a parapet, on how high it should be built. But we understand what the writer wanted, and we see in Deuteronomy 22:5 by the language that a woman and man must be separated in appearance and behavior.

Originally Posted by Aquila

It makes a general statement.

Not to the people who understood the language.

Originally Posted by Aquila

This is why interpretations have ranged from it being about women wearing body armor, to women wearing a weapon, to women wearing pants.

That isn't an interpretation, that is what is being said because it is dealing with masculine items which are timeless. For the female it speaks of soft items. Funny how you guys never touch what the guys isn't supposed to wear. I have heard about body armor blah blah blah ever since I first set a foot in the church. Good grief I guess a guy can't wear a sweater or socks.

Pants are for men, dresses and skirts for women.

Originally Posted by Aquila

God is clearly condemning an abominable practice.

Which would be clearly a woman wearing pants and a man wearing a dress.
Hey just because someone was raised in a home with 50 cats and 50 dirty litter boxes and can't tell the place stinks. Doesn't mean it doesn't stink to the outsider. Bro, you don't see it because it is normal for you. You can't see the forest for the trees.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I guess Chris is saying that people who were not directly under Zacheus while he was in the tree were fortunate.

EB, another mischaracterization. Yep, another distortion of clear meaning and common sense. They call it, a lie.

God's commands concerning the high priest's attire and the climbing of a tree by Zacheus was separated by a little over what, a thousand years? I don't doubt that Zacheus might have been wearing some kind of breeches under his tunic. But I don't think he was wearing stone washed Levi's under his tunic either.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Is there a thing as same gender marriage?

The women jeans came first and it was all down hill from there.

Wow. The Conservative world is pretty simple. First women's pants... now every evil imaginable. lol

Simple notions tend to only placate simple minds.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Everyone had to cover their eyes when they looked up at Zacchaeus in the tree?

Another radical distortion. Why do you tell lies and distortions instead of addressing the actual points made, in the context that they are made in?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Bro God Himself didnt design the watch, or initiate its invention. On this article of clothing He did, and for a man..

God didn't design breeches. They were present prior to the designation of attire for the priesthood.

Do you really think they read the text saying, "'Breeeeeches', what are those?!" LOL

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Really? I can tell just by the conversation that you've been learning some things about this as we progress.

Learning that all you want is a dube? Learning that you have no personal knowledge of the situation?

Originally Posted by Aquila

So, if a dear brother or sister has MS, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, Cancer, or some other debilitating condition... and they are suffering tremendously and the typically prescribed prescription drugs aren't helping, and they resort to cannabis, they don't have the Holy Ghost?

Chris you don't believe. You don't believe that they have any hope outside of what you believe about pot. Faith is to encourage to go with the Holy Ghost. If you would receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost you would see this in a different light.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Where's your humanity? Where's your understanding and compassion for suffering brothers and sisters?

I can ask you the same? Why don't you believe that Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever? The Holy Ghost can outshine reefer.

Originally Posted by Aquila

It's all pie in the sky health, dreamy peace, and divine healings handed out like candy in EB's world. And I'm accused of being disconnected from realty?

Hence probably why you yourself are going nowhere. You have mocked the Holy Ghost every time you get to this place. You need to believe that Jesus' Spirit can move through you if you repent and obey Him. It isn't your will but His will be done. Let Him help you, nothing else can help you. Jesus is the only life raft. Marijuana is a false hope, Jesus's Holy Ghost is the water you need to drink!