Women Cutting Their Hair, Please Help.

deltaguitar · #1 06-13-2007, 03:14 PM

Really, my church is UPC. My wife does not cut her hair. However, I can read and study the bible and I don't get uncut out of it.

Now if you take the stance that this is not cultural and that it applies to christians of today the only thing I get is that longer hair might possibly be more please and respectful towards the husband. Am I reading this wrong?

berkeley · #2 06-13-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Really, my church is UPC. My wife does not cut her hair. However, I can read and study the bible and I don't get uncut out of it.

Now if you take the stance that this is not cultural and that it applies to christians of today the only thing I get is that longer hair might possibly be more please and respectful towards the husband. Am I reading this wrong?

Read it again, and you may see something different. Everytime I go over that passage I get something else.

Jack Shephard · #3 06-13-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Really, my church is UPC. My wife does not cut her hair. However, I can read and study the bible and I don't get uncut out of it.

Now if you take the stance that this is not cultural and that it applies to christians of today the only thing I get is that longer hair might possibly be more please and respectful towards the husband. Am I reading this wrong?

Delta, you got it on track. The fact is that the scripture in Corinthians is not talking about cutting hair. It is talking about submission to authority. I started out having the same question you have now. My wife does not cut, burn or color either. But I have told her that the truth is that the verses that the UPC controlers have taught that it is wrong but at a closer look the scripture is taken out of context.

deltaguitar · #4 06-13-2007, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Delta, you got it on track. The fact is that the scripture in Corinthians is not talking about cutting hair. It is talking about submission to authority. I started out having the same question you have now. My wife does not cut, burn or color either. But I have told her that the truth is that the verses that the UPC controlers have taught that it is wrong but at a closer look the scripture is taken out of context.

Well, I have no problem following the standards of the UPC even if I know they are sometimes wrong because I want unity in our church. Also, I have no problem trusting those who are older and have more wisdom than me. But it amazes me that people I know who have been to Bible College can't even agree that this passage of scripture might at least be debatable.

Jack Shephard · #5 06-13-2007, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Well, I have no problem following the standards of the UPC even if I know they are sometimes wrong because I want unity in our church. Also, I have no problem trusting those who are older and have more wisdom than me. But it amazes me that people I know who have been to Bible College can't even agree that this passage of scripture might at least be debatable.

You can follow the dress code set forth, it is easier for a man to do so. But to say it is for the sake of unity that is different. There is sooooo many more thing essential to unity than the dress code. If you are doing it to obey the minister that is ok too. But unity has very little if anything to do with the dress code and cutting hair. The unity should be because of the Acts 2:38.

You will never find that there is verse that everyone agrees on. That is why are admonish to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. Walk circumspectly before Him, not before man.

ILG · #6 06-13-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Well, I have no problem following the standards of the UPC even if I know they are sometimes wrong because I want unity in our church. Also, I have no problem trusting those who are older and have more wisdom than me. But it amazes me that people I know who have been to Bible College can't even agree that this passage of scripture might at least be debatable.

Is it unity? Or conformity?

ForeverBlessed · #7 06-14-2007, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Well, I have no problem following the standards of the UPC even if I know they are sometimes wrong because I want unity in our church. Also, I have no problem trusting those who are older and have more wisdom than me. But it amazes me that people I know who have been to Bible College can't even agree that this passage of scripture might at least be debatable.

Someone close to me is a minister w/UPC. I started talking about the hair subject with him recently. In talking, I brought up the word shorn... had he ever looked up the meaning? Did he realize that it meant cut close to the head? Did he realize that it goes hand in hand w/shaven... think sheep and cutting off all the hair. From the expression on his face, it was clear that he had not. So, I continued talking to him... and I sent him an email stating in detail what I've found in studying. He read it and promised me that he will study it out. He's been really busy right now, been oversees working w/missions, but I know that he will do it because he promised me.

I might be a little predudice, but he is intelligent and is an excellent speaker... he is an awesome preacher and teacher. He really studies the Greek and Hebrew on everything. I was amazed he hadn't ever studied this subject closely. Of course he is a man and hair doesn't really pertain to him all that much.

I do know that he once promoted RR and her "power in hair" message and absolutely does not believe that now... and I know that he doesn't believe cutting hair will send you to hell. *sigh of relief*

I am not for a total abandonment of standards.. I just want truth taught.... and nothing more. If it isn't in there for "uncut" then quit teaching that it is.. Quit laying a burden on some women who find it very difficult not to trim and keep their hair neat and groomed.

Subdued · #8 06-14-2007, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed

Someone close to me is a minister w/UPC. I started talking about the hair subject with him recently. In talking, I brought up the word shorn... had he ever looked up the meaning? Did he realize that it meant cut close to the head? Did he realize that it goes hand in hand w/shaven... think sheep and cutting off all the hair. From the expression on his face, it was clear that he had not. So, I continued talking to him... and I sent him an email stating in detail what I've found in studying. He read it and promised me that he will study it out. He's been really busy right now, been oversees working w/missions, but I know that he will do it because he promised me.

I might be a little predudice, but he is intelligent and is an excellent speaker... he is an awesome preacher and teacher. He really studies the Greek and Hebrew on everything. I was amazed he hadn't ever studied this subject closely. Of course he is a man and hair doesn't really pertain to him all that much.

I do know that he once promoted RR and her "power in hair" message and absolutely does not believe that now... and I know that he doesn't believe cutting hair will send you to hell. *sigh of relief*

I am not for a total abandonment of standards.. I just want truth taught.... and nothing more. If it isn't in there for "uncut" then quit teaching that it is.. Quit laying a burden on some women who find it very difficult not to trim and keep their hair neat and groomed.

This is how I feel as well.

#9 06-14-2007, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed

Someone close to me is a minister w/UPC. I started talking about the hair subject with him recently. In talking, I brought up the word shorn... had he ever looked up the meaning? Did he realize that it meant cut close to the head? Did he realize that it goes hand in hand w/shaven... think sheep and cutting off all the hair. From the expression on his face, it was clear that he had not. So, I continued talking to him... and I sent him an email stating in detail what I've found in studying. He read it and promised me that he will study it out. He's been really busy right now, been oversees working w/missions, but I know that he will do it because he promised me.

I might be a little predudice, but he is intelligent and is an excellent speaker... he is an awesome preacher and teacher. He really studies the Greek and Hebrew on everything. I was amazed he hadn't ever studied this subject closely. Of course he is a man and hair doesn't really pertain to him all that much.

I do know that he once promoted RR and her "power in hair" message and absolutely does not believe that now... and I know that he doesn't believe cutting hair will send you to hell. *sigh of relief*

I am not for a total abandonment of standards.. I just want truth taught.... and nothing more. If it isn't in there for "uncut" then quit teaching that it is.. Quit laying a burden on some women who find it very difficult not to trim and keep their hair neat and groomed.

Preach It Sister!!!!

Rico · #10 06-13-2007, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Really, my church is UPC. My wife does not cut her hair. However, I can read and study the bible and I don't get uncut out of it.

Now if you take the stance that this is not cultural and that it applies to christians of today the only thing I get is that longer hair might possibly be more please and respectful towards the husband. Am I reading this wrong?

And another starts the ride down the slippery slope. Welcome to da club, Bro.