Demons and the believer

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

What im speaking of comes out if the prayer room and lines up with the Word of God. I didn't receive this of man. John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Says nothing about Cain, nor was he being referenced. But it does say this explicitly about the devil.

Not only did he murder all mankind through deception until Jesus provided a perfect sacrifice and brought salvation. He also murdered the other 1/3 of the Angels that fell with him it talks about in Revelation 12:3-4.

So, you have divine revelation that is not actually stated in the Bible? Sorry, but I don't go by anyone's divine revelation, I have a more sure word (2 Peter 1:19).

You are eisegeting, reading into the text things that are not there. I understand that what is being presented to you is contrary to the beliefs you have, and therefore you have a hard time understanding something other than what you currently hold. To each his own. I have no sacred cows and no traditions to defend except what I see written in the Word.

The origin and nature and mechanism of sin is spelled out quite explicitly in the Bible, and that's what I believe. The terms devil and satan are used for various things and various people, so I believe that. The Bible teaches by both precept and example that we are not running around swatting invisible demon-flies, but are engaged in a spiritual war between the Kingdom (dominion, RULE) of Christ and the kingdoms of men and their vain philosophies. Heathen gods are demons, and they are also NOTHING. That informs my understanding of these things.

People can get all sorts of things "in the prayer room" but if it does not agree with the Scripture then it's all just last night's pizza sauce.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So, you have divine revelation that is not actually stated in the Bible? Sorry, but I don't go by anyone's divine revelation, I have a more sure word (2 Peter 1:19).

You are eisegeting, reading into the text things that are not there. I understand that what is being presented to you is contrary to the beliefs you have, and therefore you have a hard time understanding something other than what you currently hold. To each his own. I have no sacred cows and no traditions to defend except what I see written in the Word.

The origin and nature and mechanism of sin is spelled out quite explicitly in the Bible, and that's what I believe. The terms devil and satan are used for various things and various people, so I believe that. The Bible teaches by both precept and example that we are not running around swatting invisible demon-flies, but are engaged in a spiritual war between the Kingdom (dominion, RULE) of Christ and the kingdoms of men and their vain philosophies. Heathen gods are demons, and they are also NOTHING. That informs my understanding of these things.

People can get all sorts of things "in the prayer room" but if it does not agree with the Scripture then it's all just last night's pizza sauce.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So, you have divine revelation that is not actually stated in the Bible? Sorry, but I don't go by anyone's divine revelation, I have a more sure word (2 Peter 1:19).

You are eisegeting, reading into the text things that are not there. I understand that what is being presented to you is contrary to the beliefs you have, and therefore you have a hard time understanding something other than what you currently hold. To each his own. I have no sacred cows and no traditions to defend except what I see written in the Word.

The origin and nature and mechanism of sin is spelled out quite explicitly in the Bible, and that's what I believe. The terms devil and satan are used for various things and various people, so I believe that. The Bible teaches by both precept and example that we are not running around swatting invisible demon-flies, but are engaged in a spiritual war between the Kingdom (dominion, RULE) of Christ and the kingdoms of men and their vain philosophies. Heathen gods are demons, and they are also NOTHING. That informs my understanding of these things.

People can get all sorts of things "in the prayer room" but if it does not agree with the Scripture then it's all just last night's pizza sauce.

Brother I've shown over and over again from the word of God proof. While what you are saying is true I agree, but it's also got another aspect to it you are leaving out and that's what I'm saying. There is scripture to prove both. There is a spiritual and physical kingdom for good and for evil. The Bible is clear.

I do appreciate the aspect you have magnified because it showed me a greater depth to what I already know, but what your saying doesn't come independent of the other aspect. It takes both. Thank you for your time on this subject. It really did help.

Esaias let me ask you do you believe in a eternal hell?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Thank you for your time on this subject. It really did help.

Esaias let me ask you do you believe in a eternal hell?

You're welcome, brother.

I believe in eternal judgment, the second death, from which there is no escape. I do not, however, believe the wicked are or ever will be immortal, because that is God's gift to the redeemed.