Demons and the believer

Evang.Benincasa · #1 08-14-2018, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Ah, but you falsely accused me just a few posts up.

I do not believe the devil is a former worship leader from heaven named Lou C. Fur who got uppity and led a church split. Although he does seem to have quite a cult following these days.

Can you people not read? The word devil is a term applied to various things and people , that's a Bible fact.

Note to nDavid: try to break it into syllables, and use your blends. Be patient, it takes time, you'll get there!

OK, I'll put an end to this, Esaias is not allowed to play.

Can anyone show me where Satan was the most beautiful angel in heaven. That he was the chief worship leader.

1ofthechosen · #2 08-14-2018, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

OK, I'll put an end to this, Esaias is not allowed to play.

Can anyone show me where Satan was the most beautiful angel in heaven. That he was the chief worship leader.

Ezekial 28:17 "Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness."his beauty.

I guess this is where they get the worship leader thing from Ezekial 28:13 "the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created." I know these things are about the king of Tyre but once again it's a parallel and comparison to Satan or aka the devil.

Evang.Benincasa · #3 08-14-2018, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Ezekial 28:17 "Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness."his beauty.

I guess this is where they get the worship leader thing from Ezekial 28:13 "the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created." I know these things are about the king of Tyre but once again it's a parallel and comparison to Satan or aka the devil.

Who says?

Actually we have absolutely no way to prove that. No way. We are told this, take up this lament for the King of Tyre. The rest is poetic language. Another thing, by the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned? So, what was it? Was it a transaction with Adam and Eve? That would of been only one transaction, without money being handed over. But that isn't what the writer is talking about. He is talking about that the fall of the King of Tyre was commerce and greed. The parallel falls on its head when we hit stumps such as these.

1ofthechosen · #4 08-14-2018, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Who says?

Actually we have absolutely no way to prove that. No way. We are told this, take up this lament for the King of Tyre. The rest is poetic language. Another thing, by the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned? So, what was it? Was it a transaction with Adam and Eve? That would of been only one transaction, without money being handed over. But that isn't what the writer is talking about. He is talking about that the fall of the King of Tyre was commerce and greed. The parallel falls on its head when we hit stumps such as these.

The whole thing is not a comparison but some of it is. It's talking about the King of Tyre, so some of it is exclusive to him, the other things where they draw the parallel and comparison it's clear. But you are right it is poetic language but that doesn't take away from the fact just like the book of Job, it's based upon real people, beings, and situations.

I mean you do believe the King of Tyre existed right?

Evang.Benincasa · #5 08-14-2018, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

The whole thing is not a comparison but some of it is. It's talking about the King of Tyre, so some if it is exclusive to him, the other things where they draw the parallel and comparison it's clear. But you are right it is poetic language but that doesn't take away from the fact just like the book of Job, it's based upon real people, beings, and situations.

I mean you do believe the King of Tyre existed right?

King of Tyre most certainly existed, but we need to keep in mind the poetic language, how the audience at that time understood it. The whole thing is not a comparison but some of it is? Then you would need to explain how the writer is making a comparison with a song leader angel, who was the most beautiful in heaven. Listen, I would be doing the cabbage patch right along everyone if it was Biblically provable. But it is a teaching with no Biblical origin. It is clearly conjecture. The sin and the casting out of the "mountain of God" was trade with foreign countries that made him wealthy, and therefore it caused his problems. Not the garden of Eden, deceiving mankind, made to crawl on the belly and eat the dust. We are specifically told by the writer that what he is about to relay is about the King of Tyre. Some even believe this is a relative of Nebuchadnezzar.

1ofthechosen · #6 08-14-2018, 05:22 PM

Who is this Zechariah 3:1-2 "And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. [2] And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?"

Is this Satan or just a state of mind,attitude, or outlook?