Are we to repent for our ancestors past sins?

[Esaias]

Even though we have ample Biblical evidence that in times of national crisis God's people have confessed the sins of their ancestors and of their contemporaries, today's Christians see no need for such things and praise the Lord we ain't a gonna do it!

And just ignore that giant sucking sound all around us...

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Even though we have ample Biblical evidence that in times of national crisis God's people have confessed the sins of their ancestors and of their contemporaries, today's Christians see no need for such things and praise the Lord we ain't a gonna do it!

And just ignore that giant sucking sound all around us...

Im not sure you will find a people outside of Gods covenant praying for their nation or ancestors I have not looked so you may be able to identify people within covenant asking forgiveness for non covenant nations. Isn't sin on an individual level? I dont see forgiveness/remission of sin outside of covenant.
If we were to confess the sin of our nation does God forgive our nation? Is God in covenant with the USA? Can I also ask God to Forgive my state, or county, or city, or neighborhood, or those that live on the same block or street as me, or even in my own family? Does God forgive sin when the individuals that make up the family, block etc. dont repent for their own sin?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

Im not sure you will find a people outside of Gods covenant praying for their nation or ancestors I have not looked so you may be able to identify people within covenant asking forgiveness for non covenant nations. Isn't sin on an individual level? I dont see forgiveness/remission of sin outside of covenant.
If we were to confess the sin of our nation does God forgive our nation? Is God in covenant with the USA? Can I also ask God to Forgive my state, or county, or city, or neighborhood, or those that live on the same block or street as me, or even in my own family? Does God forgive sin when the individuals that make up the family, block etc. dont repent for their own sin?

Please read my second post in this thread up above. It specifically addresses your questions.

People outside God's Covenant? They are lost and heathen, so what they do is irrelevant. What's God's people do is what's being discussed.

Part of our problem today is our manufactured and contrived individualism. We don't see our connections to others, to those who came before us, our fellows, or those coming after us. We're all islands in the stream, etc. It's part of how our enemies have essentially destroyed our culture. Divorce people from their past and the larger community to which they belong, convince them they are rugged individuals and that personal issues are of prime importance... and you have an easily manipulated populace with no bearings and no compass and no map, riddled with an inexplicable angst that bubbles up in nihilistic outbursts, suicides, depression, and other self destructive things.

You also get a church preoccupied with getting itself to heaven and becoming of no practical, relevant, use. Salt that loses its savour, etc.

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Please read my second post in this thread up above. It specifically addresses your questions.

People outside God's Covenant? They are lost and heathen, so what they do is irrelevant. What's God's people do is what's being discussed.

Part of our problem today is our manufactured and contrived individualism. We don't see our connections to others, to those who came before us, our fellows, or those coming after us. We're all islands in the stream, etc. It's part of how our enemies have essentially destroyed our culture. Divorce people from their past and the larger community to which they belong, convince them they are rugged individuals and that personal issues are of prime importance... and you have an easily manipulated populace with no bearings and no compass and no map, riddled with an inexplicable angst that bubbles up in nihilistic outbursts, suicides, depression, and other self destructive things.

You also get a church preoccupied with getting itself to heaven and becoming of no practical, relevant, use. Salt that loses its savour, etc.

OK i did not read your previous post, I surely agree.

[Esaias]

From page 2 or something:

Part of our problem today is our manufactured and contrived individualism. We don't see our connections to others, to those who came before us, our fellows, or those coming after us. We're all islands in the stream, etc. It's part of how our enemies have essentially destroyed our culture. Divorce people from their past and the larger community to which they belong, convince them they are rugged individuals and that personal issues are of prime importance... and you have an easily manipulated populace with no bearings and no compass and no map, riddled with an inexplicable angst that bubbles up in nihilistic outbursts, suicides, depression, and other self destructive things.

You also get a church preoccupied with getting itself to heaven and becoming of no practical, relevant, use. Salt that loses its savour, etc.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Esaias

From page 2 or something:

Part of our problem today is our manufactured and contrived individualism. We don't see our connections to others, to those who came before us, our fellows, or those coming after us. We're all islands in the stream, etc. It's part of how our enemies have essentially destroyed our culture. Divorce people from their past and the larger community to which they belong, convince them they are rugged individuals and that personal issues are of prime importance... and you have an easily manipulated populace with no bearings and no compass and no map, riddled with an inexplicable angst that bubbles up in nihilistic outbursts, suicides, depression, and other self destructive things.

You also get a church preoccupied with getting itself to heaven and becoming of no practical, relevant, use. Salt that loses its savour, etc.

E - by this I presume you mean our connection with previous generations who believed the truth, like we believe?
Many individuals that come into church do not want to have links with their past ancestors.
Since their ancestors did not believe the truth and may have led unholy lives.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

E - by this I presume you mean our connection with previous generations who believed the truth, like we believe?
Many individuals that come into church do not want to have links with their past ancestors.
Since their ancestors did not believe the truth and may have led unholy lives.

I mean one's connection to one's family, tribe, and nation (nation in the Biblical sense), as well as one's adopted connection to the covenanted people of God (all the saints, past and present). The Gospel is national in scope, it is for the nations. Nations will be saved, as distinct nation-groups. Modern individualism is a satanic lie that has demonstrated its destructive influence wherever it rears its evil head.

In American public skoolz, we were taught America was all about "rugged individualism", that was its core founding ideal. The very essence of distilled liberty. But that's a lie. The founding documents (including those that predate the Declaration of Independence) illustrate decisively that the founding generation largely viewed themselves as the millennial Israel of God, established as a united ethnostate of Christian theodicy for the purpose of propagating the Gospel throughout the world.

The "rugged individualism" we were taught about is false, and an intentional deception. People are members of families. Families are members of tribes and nations. Family, tribe, and nation provide security, safety, progress, and development for the individual. By jettisoning the collective aspect of human society based on family association, a vacuum is created, ready to be filled by THE PURELY POLITICAL AND IDEOLOGICAL STATE. Which is an abnormal condition, a pathology of human nature, and nothing other than BABEL.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The Gospel is national in scope, it is for the nations. Nations will be saved, as distinct nation-groups.

For the record:

Psalm 22:27
Psalm 86:9
Isaiah 2:2
Isaiah 52:15
Isaiah 55:5
Matthew 25:32ff
Matthew 28:19-20
Galatians 3:8
Revelation 15:4
Revelation 21:24
Revelation 22:2

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

E - by this I presume you mean our connection with previous generations who believed the truth, like we believe?
Many individuals that come into church do not want to have links with their past ancestors.
Since their ancestors did not believe the truth and may have led unholy lives.

What individuals want and the nature of the Holy God of Scripture can be quite different.

The God of Scripture has on more than one occasion cursed subsequent generations on account of the sins of their fathers. In fact, aren't we all struggling under the condemnation of Adam's sin? Adam was our very first ancestor, was he not? If this is considered, then the entirety of redemptive history is woven together with the reality of ancestral sin. We are all condemned and in need of a Savior because of our first ancestor's sin. If you disagree, please share what you think.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Aquila

What individuals want and the nature of the Holy God of Scripture can be quite different.

The God of Scripture has on more than one occasion cursed subsequent generations on account of the sins of their fathers. In fact, aren't we all struggling under the condemnation of Adam's sin? Adam was our very first ancestor, was he not? If this is considered, then the entirety of redemptive history is woven together with the reality of ancestral sin. We are all condemned and in need of a Savior because of our first ancestor's sin. If you disagree, please share what you think.

What I think is that there is no example in the NT of anyone repenting for a past ancestor's sins.
So, it seems like we are making up a new doctrine or adding to the Word of God.