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06-14-2007, 09:05 AM
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Exactly -- and for the record, I have never said at any time that there is no need for accountability -- or leadership -- any someone's life. I don't believe in degrading the positions of pastor (or whatever position is there) -- I do believe in elevating the saint, though... which many misconstrue as degrading the position of leadership.
Mich needs to find a group of people who have her best interests in mind and who will tell her the truth no matter what. The problem is that she hasn't found that group, yet. I've been lucky (I should say BLESSED) to have found, or have been sent, a solid group of people that I am submitted to -- I pray that Mich finds the same, if she hasn't already.
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What do you mean by 'elevating' the saint?
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06-14-2007, 09:09 AM
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What do you mean by 'elevating' the saint?
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That the saint is quite capable of living for God and that leadership isn't on a "higher" level than the saint. They are equals and are to be submitted one to another. This doesn't take away the activity of the 5 fold at all -- after all the 5 fold are to bring maturity to the saint. It allows the saint to be able to realize their own potential in God.
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06-14-2007, 09:22 AM
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That the saint is quite capable of living for God and that leadership isn't on a "higher" level than the saint. They are equals and are to be submitted one to another. This doesn't take away the activity of the 5 fold at all -- after all the 5 fold are to bring maturity to the saint. It allows the saint to be able to realize their own potential in God.
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I agree. How do you find this lacking in our churches today? Do you think the ministry is not bringing saints to maturity and in why not?
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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06-14-2007, 09:28 AM
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I agree. How do you find this lacking in our churches today? Do you think the ministry is not bringing saints to maturity and in why not?
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In my experiences... not often. I've seen saints have to ask to go on vacation, what color car to drive, whether or not they should find a job. I've seen people who can't stay away from their home church for more than a service or two and they are out watching porn and sinning...
IMO, they come to church are spoon fed doctrine/theology (which they accept without question) and become fat and lazy, spiritually. They aren't encouraged to get out and do the things of God. It is the pastors job to everything from visit the sick to bring food to those who are poor and hungry -- or they have to get permission first. I could go on and on but won't. No, I don't believe that this is the rule but neither is it the exception.
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06-14-2007, 10:07 AM
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In my experiences... not often. I've seen saints have to ask to go on vacation, what color car to drive, whether or not they should find a job.
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I've never experienced this and I've fellowshipped with two different UPC churchs in England and in Maryland. The pastor I have now is ex UPC and maintains friendships with current UPC ministers in this area. He doesn't require this type of control either.
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I've seen people who can't stay away from their home church for more than a service or two and they are out watching porn and sinning...
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Hypocrites and sinners can be found in every church, have you read revelations or Corinthians lately? Neither of these is an excuse not to be in fellowship with believers.
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IMO, they come to church are spoon fed doctrine/theology (which they accept without question) and become fat and lazy, spiritually. They aren't encouraged to get out and do the things of God. It is the pastors job to everything from visit the sick to bring food to those who are poor and hungry -- or they have to get permission first. I could go on and on but won't. No, I don't believe that this is the rule but neither is it the exception.
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Is all the blame to be on the pastor? or is there accountablility with God for each of us? Work out your own salvation....
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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06-14-2007, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by nathan_slatter
That the saint is quite capable of living for God and that leadership isn't on a "higher" level than the saint. They are equals and are to be submitted one to another. This doesn't take away the activity of the 5 fold at all -- after all the 5 fold are to bring maturity to the saint. It allows the saint to be able to realize their own potential in God.
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The Five fold is designed to equip and train others to replace them.
Who will those that replace them be? The "saints". They are equal, they just need to be trained by those that have gone before them. To teach them... not in the "I'm better than you" sense, but in "this is what I've learned" sense.
It's not a corporation. It's an organism, a body.
Cells produce cells to replace themselves.
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06-14-2007, 01:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nathan_slatter
That the saint is quite capable of living for God and that leadership isn't on a "higher" level than the saint. They are equals and are to be submitted one to another. This doesn't take away the activity of the 5 fold at all -- after all the 5 fold are to bring maturity to the saint. It allows the saint to be able to realize their own potential in God.
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I can Amen this!
I would love to see this in action!
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