BY THIS STANDARD-Greg L. Bahnsen

[CalledOut238]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The church's mission includes the mandate to teach the secular authorities the will and ways of God:

I have been out typed on this reply, Esaias. ! I am in no way arguing against the theocracy that Christ will institute and establish after the resurrection and judgment.

Revelation 21:1 (KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

When interpreting scriptures we must always consider the audience the verses were intended for at time they were written. As well as their symbolic meaning for those saints in the future who should consider their application in their lives. To respond to your usage of 1 Timothy 1:8-11, I would ask that we examine the previous verse to put this in context. Timothy is rebuking those blending the Traditions of the Elders; with the Torah, and mandating these teachings be incorporated into the new Christian faith.

1Timothy 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

Strong's G3547 nomodidáskalos; from G3551 and G1320; an expounder of the (Jewish) law, i.e. a Rabbi: doctor (teacher) of the law.

In verse eight we see Timothy using a simile of civil and Mosaic law. Ask yourself who are the listeners? Saints or Sinners? I am sure you will affirm that the answer is obvious. Timothy is using the comparison of civil and Mosaic laws to teach a spiritual principle. The Mosaic law was only punitive to those who disobeyed that law in that period. This punitive recourse is true for those who disobey the civil laws in current times.

11Timothy 1:8 (KJV) But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully.

Strong's G3551 nómos; from a primary némō (to parcel out, especially food or grazing to animals); law (through the idea of prescriptive usage), genitive case (regulation), specially, (of Moses (including the volume); also of the Gospel), or figuratively (a principle): law.

Using the verses of Deuteronomy 17:14-20 only confirms the original Mosaic Law was the guiding principles of a Theocratic society for the children of Israel. Our Heavenly Father wanted the Israelites to show the nations His glory by following these principles. To shine the light of the One true God being ruler of the nations. And this is a type and shadow of Christ’s Kingdom with the New Heaven and Earth. But it also showed the weakness of the fleshly covenant in which the inner man was not converted. The Israelites failed with this glorious calling out and desired to be like the other nations. The Old Covenant and their Savior was REJECTED by the people of the covenant!

1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

“Communism: communism (from Latin communis, "common, universal") is the philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state.

Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterized by social ownership and workers' self-management of the means of production as well as the political theories and movements associated with them Fascism:
Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultra nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce.

Democracy: Democracy (Greek: dēmokratía, literally "rule by people"), "Rule of the majority" is sometimes referred to as democracy

Anarchy is the condition of a society, entity, group of people, or a single person that rejects hierarchy. The word originally meant leaderlessness, but in 1840 Pierre-Joseph Proudhon adopted the term in his treatise What Is Property? to refer to a new political philosophy: anarchism, which advocates stateless societies based on voluntary associations.

Republic: (Latin: res publica) is a form of government in which the country is considered a "public matter", not the private concern or property of the rulers. The primary positions of power within a republic are not inherited.

Oligarchy: (from Greek oligarkhía; from olígos, meaning 'few', and arkho, meaning 'to rule or to command'. Is a form of power structure in which power rests with a small number of people. These people may be distinguished by nobility, wealth, family ties, education or corporate, religious or military control.”

These are all definitions of governmental forms from Wikipedia. I really don’t like Wikipedia that much, but most go there when doing a quick research of terms. I do agree that if the righteous are in power; and are following Godly principles, that the people would fair better. But what we face today is an Oligarchical rule of the International Satanic elite. Those who are righteous trying to get into political position in any of these forms of government must comply with their world vision. Theonomy is noble and is the foundation of the Messianic Kingdom that will be instituted when Christ reigns. The reason this will work for Christ’s Kingdom? He is the Righteous King, Judge and High priest; that no man will ever be able to duplicate, because he is the Creator incarnate. As far as these earthly systems of governments of men they will all fade away as dust in the wind. Do I need to source Kansas?

Daniel 2:44 (KJV) And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Nothing wrong with longing for a theocratic society; but until then, I believe the church’s responsibility is to the Lost of the World. To share the Gospel and see sinners being born again and converted by the Spirit of Christ. We can change the world by letting the Love of the Holyghost; that is shed abroad in our hearts, to be the light into the darkness of this world.

Matthew 5:14 (KJV) Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Selah

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by CalledOut238

I have been out typed on this reply, Esaias. ! I am in no way arguing against the theocracy that Christ will institute and establish after the resurrection and judgment.

Yes, the whole world shall be submitted to Christ, and sin itself will be no more. BUT, because Christ reigns now and His Kingdom is to be advanced in this age by the preaching of the Gospel, we should avoid the temptation to batten down the hatches and hide out, as it were, from our responsibity to represent Christ to all people and nations. Which many in this day have unfortunately done, retreating from the conflict and surrendering the field to the enemy.

We can change the world by letting the Love of the Holyghost; that is shed abroad in our hearts, to be the light into the darkness of this world.

Matthew 5:14 (KJV) Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Selah.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Yes, the whole world shall be submitted to Christ, and sin itself will be no more. BUT, because Christ reigns now and His Kingdom is to be advanced in this age by the preaching of the Gospel, we should avoid the temptation to batten down the hatches and hide out, as it were, from our responsibity to represent Christ to all people and nations. Which many in this day have unfortunately done, retreating from the conflict and surrendering the field to the enemy.

Secular society dominates all the predominant forms of communication/education:

Social Media
Public Schools
Universities/colleges
TV/Movies

I believe we need to communicate the gospel and truth to our culture with any means available to us.
We can teach responsible use of technology without banning it because it is an important platform of communication.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Secular society dominates all the predominant forms of communication/education:

Social Media
Public Schools
Universities/colleges
TV/Movies

I believe we need to communicate the gospel and truth to our culture with any means available to us.
We can teach responsible use of technology without banning it because it is an important platform of communication.

It’s too late. Shoulda took the market before TBN spread.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by berkeley

It’s too late. Shoulda took the market before TBN spread.

Back to Acts and 120 in an upper room, they turned their world upside down

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Back to Acts and 120 in an upper room, they turned their world upside down

What does that have to do with technology?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by berkeley

What does that have to do with technology?

nothing.

[Wilsonwas]

Originally Posted by berkeley

It’s too late. Shoulda took the market before TBN spread.

Total sarcasm warning!!!!!!

So Benny and the Je......I mean Hinn, and his concub.....I mean wife.....I ...uh ....Tammy Facke...uh makeup queen...um....are not great examples of Christian living. I mean c'mon, they even air conditioned the dogs house. How much more can you care for your fellow creatures. Prayer cloths annointed with oil and Benny sweat, ...fir only $20 a pop, why they could barely clear costs at that rate. Musta bin sum kinda prosperity in that doctrine yo?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Secular society dominates all the predominant forms of communication/education:

Social Media
Public Schools
Universities/colleges
TV/Movies

I believe we need to communicate the gospel and truth to our culture with any means available to us.
We can teach responsible use of technology without banning it because it is an important platform of communication.

The problem is "we" have allowed our teaching to be infected with secular ideology, so the message "we" have is just humanism wrapped in Christianese. (By "we" I mean oneness pentecostalism in general. There are exceptions, but a random perusal of oneness pentecostal church websites and ministry websites will reveal that a large number, if not a majority, are peddling humanistic ideologies as "the gospel". And, of course, this true of practically every sect of American Christendom.)

So, there isn't any point, really, to "reaching the masses with our message" until we actually have a Message worth distributing.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The problem is "we" have allowed our teaching to be infected with secular ideology, so the message "we" have is just humanism wrapped in Christianese. (By "we" I mean oneness pentecostalism in general. There are exceptions, but a random perusal of oneness pentecostal church websites and ministry websites will reveal that a large number, if not a majority, are peddling humanistic ideologies as "the gospel". And, of course, this true of practically every sect of American Christendom.)

So, there isn't any point, really, to "reaching the masses with our message" until we actually have a Message worth distributing.

Interesting. Have any examples?