BY THIS STANDARD-Greg L. Bahnsen

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The Christian anarchy is the individual submitting to the rulership of Christ alone.

How's that working out for you? You couldn't hack it when you were with the plural eldership house group. How do you think you would sail with a communal anarchist group? Which is an oxymoron. There is no such thing as anarchist fellowship, because every man is right in his own view. This is where you really shine, because you have no apostolic church government. No apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. Just you and what ever you want at the moment. Here is where your baloney is turned on its head. You claim that divorce disqualifies eldership? So, in this Christian anarchism where you only submit to "Christ" how aren't you disqualified to lead anyone? I mean how is anyone disqualified to lead if anarchists have no leadership other than an invisible deity? Which you would be the only mouth piece to anyone who had the misfortune of being linked to you as a family unit?

Originally Posted by Aquila

We obey earthly government to keep peace while among them. BUT in areas we deem are under God's authority, we must obey God, and not men, being willing to face whatever repercussions that might bring. We call others to come under the same rulership of Christ, and live above the authorities of this world, even "theonomic" authorities of this world, like the one advocated by Esaias in this thread. The born again Christian has the Holy Spirit to guide them directly. We don't need Esaias, Rushdoony, or any other fallen human being ruling over us as God's representative. God Himself is in us.

If Rushdoony, and these other theonomists, had the Holy Spirit, they'd need not rely on human coercion through religious government, or political agenda.

This is the real reason you can't be in a church, because you won't be under anyone. This appeals to you because like I said if Jesus was your pastor, King David played his harp, and Paul took up the offering, you still wouldn't listen. Having an invisible god appeals to you, because that bolt of lighting never hit. So therefore because you constantly dodge the ecclesiastical silver bullet time and time again, you continue to get worse. Ecclesiastes 8:11

Guys like you are a laugh, when you allow us to see your magical thinking, and walk around with a bowl of corn flakes in the emperor's new clothes.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

How's that working out for you? You couldn't hack it when you were with the plural eldership house group. How do you think you would sail with a communal anarchist group? Which is an oxymoron. There is no such thing as anarchist fellowship, because every man is right in his own view. This is where you really shine, because you have no apostolic church government. No apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. Just you and what ever you want at the moment. Here is where your baloney is turned on its head. You claim that divorce disqualifies eldership? So, in this Christian anarchism where you only submit to "Christ" how aren't you disqualified to lead anyone? I mean how is anyone disqualified to lead if anarchists have no leadership other than an invisible deity? Which you would be the only mouth piece to anyone who had the misfortune of being linked to you as a family unit?



This is the real reason you can't be in a church, because you won't be under anyone. This appeals to you because like I said if Jesus was your pastor, King David played his harp, and Paul took up the offering, you still wouldn't listen. Having an invisible god appeals to you, because that bolt of lighting never hit. So therefore because you constantly dodge the ecclesiastical silver bullet time and time again, you continue to get worse. Ecclesiastes 8:11

Guys like you are a laugh, when you allow us to see your magical thinking, and walk around with a bowl of corn flakes in the emperor's new clothes.

Thanks for the personal insults.

An anarchist fellowship is best reflected in the early Quaker fellowships and even many house churches. Everyone is at a different place in their walk and understanding. They allow conversation, exchange, growth, different understandings. No one is like you, demanding that they agree. You'd not hack it in an anarchist fellowship. Lol But that's okay too. That's just you. And the authentic you needs more structure. I left the last house church because they were becoming hostile to Apostolic truth. Instead of being a problem, I left.

Christian anarchists are also "Christian". They believe in elders. But biblical elders do not see themselves as lords over the people. They are "elders". They serve as mentors, guides, not dictators. They're like grandfathers. Patriarchs of God's family. The association is also voluntary. Disagree with the teaching, or elder, freely leave. No harm to any. But "earthly government" rules by force and coercion. Don't pay taxes, they'll punch you in the face and put you in a cage. Collect rain water without a permit, they'll demand money. If you don't pay, you get punched and put in a cage. Choose to grow a leaf created by God, you get punched and put in a cage. Tell them you're a sovereign human, get punched and put in a cage. Coercion. Man ruling over man. Both corrupt and fallen. Even the theonomist. Disagree with dogma, you get punched in the face and put into a cage, or worse...burned to death.

Christian Reconstructionism is no different than any other earthly "archy" or "ocracy". Just earthly government in religious garb. We tolerate such governments because God allows them. They do tend to keep order, but it cannot be said that any of them are truly righteous. When their laws get in the way of our kingdom, we obey God, and accept the consequences.

I suggest reading Tolstoy's, The Kingdom of God Is Within You.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Thanks for the personal insults.

It's the truth. We have an entire forum of your postings which if any intelligent human being read them they would know I wasn't posting insults. I'm posting my clear observation of your personality. Unless you are bipolar or manic schizophrenic, what I posted is all you.

Originally Posted by Aquila

An anarchist fellowship is best reflected in the early Quaker fellowships and even many house churches.

What? Maybe you should sit down and read some Larkin Rose. Because anarchism isn't early Quaker anything.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Everyone is at a different place in their walk and understanding. They allow conversation, exchange, growth, different understandings. No one is like you, demanding that they agree.

Like me? Did I write this?

Philippians 2:1-3. and 1 Corinthians 1:10.

No, the Apostle Paul understood we were all supposed to be on the same page. You see, if you aint the pitcher, then you won't play ball. But, if someone was stupid enough to put you in charge all hell would break loose.

What you paint as Christianity is not Biblical, but more of your humanistic convoluted interpretations of your own carnal mind. Where Christianity is just one big Hippy Love in where you are Moses David Berg resurrected.

Originally Posted by Aquila

You'd not hack it in an anarchist fellowship.

Chris, that doesn't make sense. Everyone can do as they very well please. Not being accountable to anyone. You would be placed on the pay no mind list, and you wouldn't be permitted to interact me. Do you have any idea what you are talking about? EVER?

Originally Posted by Aquila

Lol But that's okay too. That's just you. And the authentic you needs more structure. I left the last house church because they were becoming hostile to Apostolic truth. Instead of being a problem, I left.

Bro, do you know how much you posted to us about your house church when you were pleased to attend? You made it out to be it, but as you revealed more and more to them you saw their true intent for the group. This is because you didn't let everyone know what on earth you really believed, they didn't have to change, because they were already wonkey. You slipped in, got comfortable and later realized they weren't going to change for any of your "new truth" Being a problem isn't a problem if a relationship (real bond) of fellowship. Where guys know each other, people can't live without each other. Then we will work it out with the brother who has the "new idea" through listening to how he presents the truth. The first guy who gets mad loses the argument. Because the mad is because he cannot defend. or refute the new information. Kicking out, or disfellowship, or even walking away isn't an option. They must all stick it out without falling out. That my boy isn't part of anarchism. If we don't agree, fine, you go back over to your hut, and have you self a time.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Christian anarchists are also "Christian".

Oh, you mean in the land of Aquila and Dragons? Seriously? Dude, it is an oxymoron, the two don't go together. Christianity is communal it is governmental through eldership, and accountability.

Originally Posted by Aquila

They believe in elders. But biblical elders do not see themselves as lords over the people.

Really? A guy sleeping with his father's wife was governmentally placed over to Satan 1 Corinthians 5:1, 1 Corinthians 5:5. A threefold eldership was also instructed to judicially shun a disobedient brother Matthew 18:17. So, once again, you are clueless to Christian government.

Originally Posted by Aquila

They are "elders". They serve as mentors, guides, not dictators.

That is because you are two dimensional, you only have stop and go. Anyone ever told you that they believe that your testimony is unbecoming a saint of God. That you and your girlfriend's behavior is not Christian, or the smoking of Marijuana conducive to a godly lifestyle. They are to just smile and wave, just allow you to grow in grace? No, they are to call you on it like Paul to Peter Galatians 2:11. Or is that too masculine for you?

Originally Posted by Aquila

They're like grandfathers. Patriarchs of God's family.

Oh, how sweet. Tucking you in bed at night, giving you a glass of warm pablum. When you puke it up, they sweetly spoon it back into your mouth?

Chris, you love a world where enabling the bad children rules. Just only when it effects someone else. If it is on your porch, then rules out the window, and OL Grandad gets bounced across the floor, and out the door.

Originally Posted by Aquila

The association is also voluntary. Disagree with the teaching, or elder, freely leave.

That's funny, the Bible has people getting shunned, those who left are called antichrist. You sure you are ready to live Biblically? No, not you

Originally Posted by Aquila

No harm to any. But "earthly government" rules by force and coercion. Don't pay taxes, they'll punch you in the face and put you in a cage. Collect rain water without a permit, they'll demand money. If you don't pay, you get punched and put in a cage. Choose to grow a leaf created by God, you get punched and put in a cage. Tell them you're a sovereign human, get punched and put in a cage. Coercion. Man ruling over man. Both corrupt and fallen. Even the theonomist. Disagree with dogma, you get punched in the face and put into a cage, or worse...burned to death.

Choose to grow a leaf that Jesus never smoked, or instructed anyone to use. Wine? Yes, cannabis no. But you can't even get that through your head, imagine the elders not agreeing with you? Oh, that is right, you would just leave. Bravo! Good job, you would quit, and do what? Move on to who? Oh, shopping for answers? Looking for those who will agree with you? Aquila, like I said, if Jesus preached, King David played his harp, and Paul took up the offering you still wouldn't do it. What a laugh.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Christian Reconstructionism is no different than any other earthly "archy" or "ocracy". Just earthly government in religious garb. We tolerate such governments because God allows them. They do tend to keep order, but it cannot be said that any of them are truly righteous.

I suggest reading Tolstoy's, The Kingdom of God Is Within You.

Suggest me reading Tolstoy? The guy who hated his wife so badly that he didn't want her at his funeral? Right on Chris, you need to wake up from your illusion.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The association is also voluntary. Disagree with the teaching, or elder, freely leave.

So how many times do you get divorced from a church family?
Odds would become slim as you continually walked when you were corrected.
Mentors, Patriarches, grandfathers get scarce as you keep rejecting and moving on to the next group? Don't ya think?