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Old 09-08-2018, 06:31 PM
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How is Jesus Christ tyranny and coercion?
Jesus isn't. But unless He rules physically on Earth, most only serve an interpretation of who He is.

Would theonomy follow Rushdoony's Jesus, a Presbyterian Jesus, a Catholic Jesus, an Apostolic Jesus?

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Jesus isn't. But unless He rules physically on Earth, most only serve an interpretation of who He is.

Would theonomy follow Rushdoony's Jesus, a Presbyterian Jesus, a Catholic Jesus?
That sounds carnal, humanistic, and shallow. So, you are saying that in no way someone can really live for God?

The Holy Ghost cannot rule and reign in a person's heart?
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Rushdoony?

When did anyone mention him?
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Rushdoony?

When did anyone mention him?
I think I'll start bringing up Bakunin whenever I hear "anarchism" being proferred for sale.
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I think I'll start bringing up Bakunin whenever I hear "anarchism" being proferred for sale.





Remember when Aquila was pushing for active protest in congregations?
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Remember when Aquila was pushing for active protest in congregations?
Exactly. While there are some people LARPing as "Christian anarchists" the term is, as you pointed out, a total oxymoron.
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Exactly. While there are some people LARPing as "Christian anarchists" the term is, as you pointed out, a total oxymoron.
What was funny, is that Aquila posted pages on divorce and remarriage disqualifies elders. In anarchism you wouldn't even have those rules, because it isn't about the group. It is only about the individual, church leadership (or any leadership) doesn't exist.
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Seems inconsistent with Romans 8:3-4

3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according.

"Weakened by the flesh" how? By the flesh leading to fleshly failure, error in judgement, and in the failing of the law which led Christ to the cross to perfect salvation for all mankind.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4)

It is good that a nation follow the ten commandments- which are the source of "natural law", and that it follow Christ. It ought not to contrive to compel by law persons to be "Christian" as this is in opposition to Gods will to have beings that worship in faith and free will.

Men fail as governors because they failed at even keeping one law, to not eat of the tree of knowledge. To say that i support government based on failed philosophy of man is incorrect. To say that I do not support a reconstructive government based on the law of Isreal is eqially incorrect. I support only governments limited to the requirement of keeping mans failure from becoming overriding of mankind.

All government must be severely limited, because man will inevitably fail it. Thonomic, or Secular humanist, the only difference I can see will be the length of time before it fails.

I say you seek power over men because you support a government with very strong power , supported by a beleif that it is doing the will of God. Such a thing goes equally wrong as does godless communism because great power is centralized in zealots or in a set f persons as Orwell noted that think they are "more equal than others"

Paul shows us that he himself refusec to use power he might rightfully have had,
2 Thessalonians 3:9 "It was not because we do not have that right, but to give you in ourselves an example to imitate." (ESV)
But chose to be an example rather than a rod of correction. You cannot possibly deny that all of history shows us humanity is much less likely to follow Pauls example - that men who desire power often do so for prideful, or otherwise sinful intent. And that high ideals succumb to low base desires with ease.....David observing a woman bathing.....leads to proxy murder....as an example.

I dont give a fat rats tail what form you choose- government should be limited more even than its subjects.
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Jesus isn't. But unless He rules physically on Earth, most only serve an interpretation of who He is.

Would theonomy follow Rushdoony's Jesus, a Presbyterian Jesus, a Catholic Jesus, an Apostolic Jesus?
Again:

All law is enforced and carried out through men's interpretations of the laws, and of the underlying political philosophy those laws are based on. You would prefer fallible men busy themselves with interpreting fallible legal systems and theories developed by fallible men, rather than have fallible men busy themselves with studying God's Word.

Or to put it another way, since men are capable of error, it is best to have men govern according to man's ideas rather than God's Word.

Apparently you cannot see the inherent contradiction and irrationality of your position. That is because you do not believe God's Word has any inherent power to change people's lives and hearts. And the reason for that? Because it apparently hasn't wrought any real change in your heart.
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All law is enforced and carried out through men's interpretations of the laws, and of the underlying political philosophy those laws are based on. You would prefer fallible men busy themselves with interpreting fallible legal systems and theories developed by fallible men, rather than have fallible men busy themselves with studying God's Word.

Or to put it another way, since men are capable of error, it is best to have men govern according to man's ideas rather than God's Word.

Apparently you cannot see the inherent contradiction and irrationality of your position. That is because you do not believe God's Word has any inherent power to change people's lives and hearts. And the reason for that? Because it apparently hasn't wrought any real change in your heart.
Chris, how can you not see the logic of this post?

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