The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits

#1 02-23-2007, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

This is what bugs me about Reformed Dave. I didn't know Daniel was baptist now. Or is he?

PP,

ReformedDave is the son of the late Elder David Gray. He has moved in a direction that has led him to the Reformed movement and is a member of a Presbyterian Church. That said, he has a very credible perspective on the PCI - PAJC discussion as his dad was a 3 stepper that was in the PCI organization. He has insight from the inside.

As for Daniel, he is still an Apostolic but he has morphed from a PAJC perspective on salvation of required Water and Spirit new birth to a Baptist perspective that the new birth occurs at repentance and any thing else is just icing on the cake.... nice but not necessary. They try to say this is PCI but it is not. It is baptist thus the reference.

SDG · #2 02-23-2007, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by philjones

PP,

ReformedDave is the son of the late Elder David Gray. He has moved in a direction that has led him to the Reformed movement and is a member of a Presbyterian Church. That said, he has a very credible perspective on the PCI - PAJC discussion as his dad was a 3 stepper that was in the PCI organization. He has insight from the inside.

As for Daniel, he is still an Apostolic but he has morphed from a PAJC perspective on salvation of required Water and Spirit new birth to a Baptist perspective that the new birth occurs at repentance and any thing else is just icing on the cake.... nice but not necessary. They try to say this is PCI but it is not. It is baptist thus the reference.

TMI ... Phil don't forget decorum.

#3 02-23-2007, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

TMI ... Phil don't forget decorum.

Daniel,

if you are referring to ReformedDave, this is all public knowledge and has never been hidden on either FCF or nFCF. Dave is not ashamed of his heritage to my knowledge and has not hidden his current beliefs or affiliations.

Now if it is about you then I apologize for exposing you!

ReformedDave · #4 02-23-2007, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by philjones

Daniel,

if you are referring to ReformedDave, this is all public knowledge and has never been hidden on either FCF or nFCF. Dave is not ashamed of his heritage to my knowledge and has not hidden his current beliefs or affiliations.

Thanks Phil. I don't hide what my heritage is. I'm kind of transparent. I guess I don't understand what I said that bugs PP.

Nahum · #5 02-23-2007, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Thanks Phil. I don't hide what my heritage is. I'm kind of transparent. I guess I don't understand what I said that bugs PP.

Well, what bugs me is you hang out on an Apostolic forum - trying to peruade us we are all wrong. Just last night, you said those who disagree with extra-biblical issues should just leave our organization.

Coonskinner is right. You and others claim to be soooooo tolerant, but the proof is in the posts.

Coonskinner · #6 02-23-2007, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Well, what bugs me is you hang out on an Apostolic forum - trying to peruade us we are all wrong. Just last night, you said those who disagree with extra-biblical issues should just leave our organization.

Coonskinner is right. You and others claim to be soooooo tolerant, but the proof is in the posts.

Woah, Nelly.

Dave has been nothing but a gentleman.

He hangs around because he likes to stay in contact with his roots, and I am glad he does.

Nahum · #7 02-23-2007, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Woah, Nelly.

Dave has been nothing but a gentleman.

He hangs around because he likes to stay in contact with his roots, and I am glad he does.

Well, maybe that's why the rest of us stay around the org. We wanna be connected to our roots, and we've invested a lot.

Coonskinner · #8 02-23-2007, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Well, what bugs me is you hang out on an Apostolic forum - trying to peruade us we are all wrong. Just last night, you said those who disagree with extra-biblical issues should just leave our organization.

Coonskinner is right. You and others claim to be soooooo tolerant, but the proof is in the posts.

And Dave is not the kind I was talking about in this thread.

I personally find Dave's beliefs sad and disconcerting, but he is not a PCI/charismatic.

ReformedDave · #9 02-23-2007, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I personally find Dave's beliefs sad and disconcerting, but he is not a PCI/charismatic.

On the first part, from your position I would hope so and to the second part you are SO very right!!!!!!!!!!!

ReformedDave · #10 02-23-2007, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Well, what bugs me is you hang out on an Apostolic forum - trying to peruade us we are all wrong. Just last night, you said those who disagree with extra-biblical issues should just leave our organization.

Coonskinner is right. You and others claim to be soooooo tolerant, but the proof is in the posts.

Where have I ever said you are wrong??? My point is that if you chafe and squirm under the authority that you voluntarily placed yourself under why spend so much energy that does you no good? Plus you sign something that you may not fully believe. (Notice I said 'may')

I NEVER claimed 'tolerance' and I'm not the typical ex-UPCer that left over facial hair, long skirts, etc. I left due to doctrinal issues.