Brother Lee Stoneking's Preaching

[n david]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

Exhorting people doesn't validate the person doing the exhortation.

Its called accountability, and not letting someone hype you up with crazy claims to get you to respond to emotion rather than God.

Some of LS preaching may be fine, but preachers dont have the luxury of "sometimes its in the book" and "sometimes its make believe"

Well, the good news is LS doesn't require your validation.

I'm glad that no story or news you've ever mentioned or posted has turned out to be false or untrue.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by n david

Well, the good news is LS doesn't require your validation.

I'm glad that no story or news you've ever mentioned or posted has turned out to be false or untrue.

In all fairness surely you would agree that this is not the exception with LS but the rule. He hasn't had one or two stories over the years prove to be urban legend but many of them. There is a pattern of him preaching unsubstantiated stories as truth.

This is not a liberal vs conservative issue with me. It is one of integrity, honesty, and truth.

[n david]

Originally Posted by CC1

In all fairness surely you would agree that this is not the exception with LS but the rule. He hasn't had one or two stories over the years prove to be urban legend but many of them. There is a pattern of him preaching unsubstantiated stories as truth.

This is not a liberal vs conservative issue with me. It is one of integrity, honesty, and truth.

Miner's hearing voices from hell
Telescope sighting of cube in space coming towards earth
OBL wives new birth experience

What other stories has he told which have been untrue?

In all fairness, I would say most of the hate started with LS because of his status in the UPC and his stance on women's hair.

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by n david

Well, the good news is LS doesn't require your validation.

I'm glad that no story or news you've ever mentioned or posted has turned out to be false or untrue.

I dont preach stories I preach the Word of God. We must be careful what we say. More Word and less Angels.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

I dont preach stories I preach the Word of God. We must be careful what we say. More Word and less Angels.

More Word and less stories...

Jesus failed the bar you set there.

Congrats on being perfect!

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by n david

More Word and less stories...

Jesus failed the bar you set there.

Congrats on being perfect!

Im not Jesus.

Paul said "Preach the word" Paul and Jesus were not at odds with one another. We are perfected by the word, begotten by the word, faith comes by hearing the word.

whats the argument here? whats your point? Im just not for make believe angel sightings and magic hair. Thats for whoever not just LS. I call it like I see it.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

Im not Jesus.

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

Paul said "Preach the word" Paul and Jesus were not at odds with one another. We are perfected by the word, begotten by the word, faith comes by hearing the word.

Show me a message in which LS doesn't "preach the word." Using a story during a sermon doesn't mean he didn't preach the word. Every LS message I've heard in person or watched on video has had the word preached.

You're blowing it completely out of proportion and insinuating that all LS does in his messages is tell untrue stories.

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

whats the argument here? whats your point? Im just not for make believe angel sightings and magic hair. Thats for whoever not just LS. I call it like I see it.

If LS wants to believe he's seen angels, who are you to say he didn't? Please explain. Do you believe people have seen angels? Do you bash others who claim to have seen angels?

If LS believes in magic hair, that's his issue.

I've known several ministers who have claimed to see angels. I also know a few who have told stories which turned out to be untrue.

Let's take Y2K as an example. The media and especially end time oriented ministries and Pastors were all talking about how banks and computer systems would collapse and how we would be plunged into the dark ages.

Well, the clock ticked from 11:59PM, December 31st, 1999 to 12:00AM, January 1st, 2000 without a single system going down.

I'm not going to bash them over that.

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by n david

Show me a message in which LS doesn't "preach the word." Using a story during a sermon doesn't mean he didn't preach the word. Every LS message I've heard in person or watched on video has had the word preached.


You're blowing it completely out of proportion and insinuating that all LS does in his messages is tell untrue stories.
apparently you missed some of my previous post, I have not said what you assert.

If LS wants to believe he's seen angels, who are you to say he didn't? Please explain. He said there is a portal over his house where angels fly over and he can feel them. Do you believe people have seen angels? Do you bash others who claim to have seen angels? Im not bashing.

If LS believes in magic hair, that's his issue.
If he believes hair is magic he should change his view to match the scripture.

I've known several ministers who have claimed to see angels. I also know a few who have told stories which turned out to be untrue. the untrue stories.. what do you call something that is told but not true? unintentional, uninformed, uninvestigated what do you call it?

Let's take Y2K as an example. The media and especially end time oriented ministries and Pastors were all talking about how banks and computer systems would collapse and how we would be plunged into the dark ages.

Well, the clock ticked from 11:59PM, December 31st, 1999 to 12:00AM, January 1st, 2000 without a single system going down.

I'm not going to bash them over that.

I just state my opinion so why are you bashing me?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

apparently you missed some of my previous post, I have not said what you assert.

You're right...I mistakenly attributed a couple posts from 1ofthechosen to you.

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

He said there is a portal over his house where angels fly over and he can feel them.

And? What if angels do fly over his home? I knew a young man who followed LS for several months. Spent time with him at home, on the road, etc. LS spends most of his day in prayer, at least at that time he did. I'm not talking 15-20 minutes a few times a day. Hours straight. On his face, praying for hours, every day. So if LS says he can feel angels, I wouldn't argue.

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

Im not bashing.

Again, a couple quotes I thought were yours were actually 1ofthechosen's.

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

If he believes hair is magic he should change his view to match the scripture.

We certainly should use the scripture as a cornerstone for our beliefs. Interpretation of scripture, however, may vary.

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

the untrue stories.. what do you call something that is told but not true? unintentional, uninformed, uninvestigated what do you call it?

Personally, if I use a story or illustration in a message, I research them to verify if they are true or accurate.

Have you ever used, or heard another minister use, the story of how the High Priest would have a rope tied to his waist or ankle in case he was struck down by God and the body had to be pulled from the Holy of Holies?

If you believe this or have used it, it's untrue. It's something which was made up at some point. There is nothing in Jewish writings which provide evidence of this practice.

I've heard this used a lot during my lifetime.

I do wish ministers would stick to more Word and less stories, and if they use stories, I wish they would look into them and verify whether true or not.

In a church I had previously attended, the Pastor shared a political story he read on FB. It was about a politician's (Sen. Harry Reid's) outlaw ancestor, an alleged horse thief who was hung for his crimes. Well, it took me 5 seconds on Google to find several other exact stories, but about other politicians. Trump. Clinton. Reid. AlGore. And other politicians. It wasn't true. The story has been circulating for years, and the name changes now and then depending on who is in the news.

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

I just state my opinion so why are you bashing me?

I'm just stating my opinion.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

I just state my opinion so why are you bashing me?

Your not wrong in what you said, all that's a 100 % correct. It's 90 % stories 10 % word and saying 10 % is being very generous.