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Michael The Disciple · #**131** 12-30-2018, 06:33 AM

Ok, I understand Trinitarianism as well as many Trins.

Classic Trinitarianism:

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There is one God being. Within that one God are three co equal and co eternal persons . Each one of the persons is God distinct from the other.

IMO this is three God persons. They TRY not to be tritheists...but it doesn't work. From what I understand if one carries that belief to the grave they would not enter the kingdom.

And yet I hear Oneness people making statements like Jesus is no longer the son of God.

Even tho John says:

1 John 4:15

Whosover shall confess that Jesus IS the son of God God dwells in him and he in God.

If we say Jesus IS not the son of God how can we expect to enter Heaven?

hometown guy · #**132** 12-30-2018, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Ok, I understand Trinitarianism as well as many Trins.

Classic Trinitarianism:

IMO this is three God persons. They TRY not to be tritheists...but it doesn't work. From what I understand if one carries that belief to the grave they would not enter the kingdom.

And yet I hear Oneness people making statements like Jesus is no longer the son of God.

Even tho John says:

1 John 4:15

Whosover shall confess that Jesus IS the son of God God dwells in him and he in God.

If we say Jesus IS not the son of God how can we expect to enter Heaven?

Yup lost if they have that belief.... in all my short years I have never heard that silly statement from a oneness.

1ofthechosen · #**133** 12-30-2018, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Ok, I understand Trinitarianism as well as many Trins.

Classic Trinitarianism:

IMO this is three God persons. They TRY not to be tritheists...but it doesn't work. From what I understand if one carries that belief to the grave they would not enter the kingdom.

And yet I hear Oneness people making statements like Jesus is no longer the son of God.

Even tho John says:

1 John 4:15

Whosover shall confess that Jesus IS the son of God God dwells in him and he in God.

If we say Jesus IS not the son of God how can we expect to enter Heaven?

No one ever said that Jesus is not the Son of God, but the office of the Son has been fulfilled. Big difference.

He's called the Son of God one time in Chapter 2 of the book of Revelation, and through the rest of the book He's called "pantokratōr" THE ALMIGHTY. The Son of God was born of the Holy Ghost to Mary Luke 1:35, and Galatians 4:4, but when He was glorified the office of the Son was fulfilled. Not that there was no Son or any of those things, because to come to the Father you have to come through the Son. But the purpose and the plan of the Son was fulfilled on Calvary's hill and His ressurection and Ascension when He came into the Tabernacle not made by man's hand, and the blood of His sacrifice was set before God. Hebrews 9:24-26 KJVS
"For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures ae of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: [25] Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; [26] For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."

Though the office of the Son is fulfilled, there's no way of Salvation outside the Son. His blood and sacrifice stands before God from now until the end of this present world.

hometown guy · #**134** 12-30-2018, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

No one ever said that Jesus is not the Son of God, but the office of the Son has been fulfilled. Big difference.

He's called the Son of God one time in Chapter 2 of the book of Revelation, and through the rest of the book He's called "pantokratōr" THE ALMIGHTY. The Son of God was born of the Holy Ghost to Mary Luke 1:35, and Galatians 4:4, but when He was glorified the office of the Son was fulfilled. Not that there was no Son or any of those things, because to come to the Father you have to come through the Son. But the purpose and the plan of the Son was fulfilled on Calvary's hill and His ressurection and Ascension when He came into the Tabernacle not made by man's hand, and the blood of His sacrifice was set before God. Hebrews 9:24-26 KJVS
"For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures ae of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: [25] Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; [26] For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."

Though the office of the Son is fulfilled, there's no way of Salvation outside the Son. His blood and sacrifice stands before God from now until the end of this present world.

Nicely put.

1ofthechosen · #**135** 12-30-2018, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy

Nicely put.

That's what MTD is talking about, in saying this I denied the Son. I didn't deny the Son, on the contrary I glorified, magnified, and exalted Him to His rightful position. Never could I deny the Son.

hometown guy · #**136** 12-30-2018, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

That's what MTD is talking about, in saying this I denied the Son. I didn't deny the Son, on the contrary I glorified, magnified, and exalted Him to His rightful position. Never could I deny the Son.

Ahhh I see... well in the book of revelation the sonship will be totally done with. The sonship was “ begotten “ and will have an ending.

Praxeas · #**137** 01-01-2019, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy

Yup lost if they have that belief.... in all my short years I have never heard that silly statement from a oneness.

Me either

Michael The Disciple · #**138** 01-01-2019, 05:04 AM

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No one ever said that Jesus is not the Son of God, but the office of the Son has been fulfilled. Big difference.

So just to be clear, is Jesus the son of God right now? Sounds like you are saying he became the Almighty and is no longer Gods son.

hometown guy · #**139** 01-01-2019, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So just to be clear, is Jesus the son of God right now? Sounds like you are saying he became the Almighty and is no longer Gods son.

I do not believe the sonship has been fulfilled because we still need his blood. I’m not scared to call him the son of God. He is the father and son at the same time just like he is the root and offspring of David.

Esaias · #**140** 01-01-2019, 11:18 AM

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Me either

Brother Blume and I were arguing with someone a while back in the Debate section with someone saying there is no Son of God at present. I think that was TJJJ?

SC Johnson if I remember correctly taught there is no Son of God in heaven, that Jesus is now God, not the Son of God.