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Old 02-22-2019, 11:05 PM
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Re: Gospels of Matthew without Trinitarian ending

Copyists copy manuscripts. Sometimes they edit them. In the case of Mt. 28:19, they simply copied what was written. Had there been editing, there would have been variation in the manuscripts. But there is none.

Copyists simply copy it down. Some copyists edit. Or others edited the finished work.

Has FZ studied the copyist behavior of the manuscripts of Matthew ??
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Copyists copy manuscripts. Sometimes they edit them. In the case of Mt. 28:19, they simply copied what was written. Had there been editing, there would have been variation in the manuscripts. But there is none.

Copyists simply copy it down. Some copyists edit. Or others edited the finished work.

Has FZ studied the copyist behavior of the manuscripts of Matthew ??
Very good point

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Re: Gospels of Matthew without Trinitarian ending

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Copyists copy manuscripts. Sometimes they edit them. In the case of Mt. 28:19, they simply copied what was written. Had there been editing, there would have been variation in the manuscripts. But there is none.

Copyists simply copy it down. Some copyists edit. Or others edited the finished work.

Has FZ studied the copyist behavior of the manuscripts of Matthew ??
I do not worry that there is none variation of that specific text, the reason is quite obvious. the Trinitarians were quite protective of their only text which gave some kind of support to their false doctrine.
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I do not worry that there is none variation of that specific text, the reason is quite obvious. the Trinitarians were quite protective of their only text which gave some kind of support to their false doctrine.
Absurd. The verse appears so entirely modalistic and Oneness, one wonders why Trinitarians aren't chomping at the bit to try and prove it is a Sabellian interpolation.
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Absurd. The verse appears so entirely modalistic and Oneness, one wonders why Trinitarians aren't chomping at the bit to try and prove it is a Sabellian interpolation.
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Absurd. The verse appears so entirely modalistic and Oneness, one wonders why Trinitarians aren't chomping at the bit to try and prove it is a Sabellian interpolation.
True.

And this is fairly common with the heavenly witnesses. Since the verse dropped out of the Greek line early, a common theory is that the oneness (Sabellian) nature of the verse was a bit discomfiting in the Ante-Nicene era.

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one.


This came up even in the 1600s, in a report by Christopher Sand with the Sabellian interpolation element. Edward Freer Hills wrote cogently on the question in the 20th century. And I believe it was a part of the textual question in the Latin after the time of Peter Abelard, involving Thomas Aquinas and the Lateran Council. The "three are one" phrase was a controversy. And I may prepare a small article on the history.

Here is what I put together earlier.

scholars theorizing that the Sabellian controversies contributed to the Greek ms line drop
http://www.purebibleforum.com/showth...k-ms-line-drop

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Copyists copy manuscripts. Sometimes they edit them. In the case of Mt. 28:19, they simply copied what was written. Had there been editing, there would have been variation in the manuscripts. But there is none.

Copyists simply copy it down. Some copyists edit. Or others edited the finished work.

Has FZ studied the copyist behavior of the manuscripts of Matthew ??
Dear Scott, your behavior is like that of The Apostle Thomas.

Except I shall see in in my hands the manuscripts, and put my finger into the print of the letters, and thrust my hand into its pages, I will not believe.
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