The Great Tribulation: Battleground Earth

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

This is really strange. People here in this thread talking about how I dont answer questions. And YET....here we are 10 pages later and there is nothing from Dom or Esaias about the meaning of Rev. 9:1-5

All they have done is to say I dont answer THEIR QUESTIONS.

It is you guys who are saying I know nothing about prophecy. I put what I believe in my video. You have rejected it. Fine.

But neither of you have offered an explanation as to the meaning of these verses.

Let me show you what is "really strange".

I FIRST asked you about your statements concerning Tartarus, in post 49 and post 50. In post 51 I gave an explanation of the passage in Peter's epistle. I not only asked you, but I gave a thorough explanation of how I understood it.

Your first response in post 52 said you did a search on "epicsearch.com", you said no big deal if it's spelleddifferent., and generally you did not answer about the passage much.

In post 53 I pointed out Rev 4:9 leads to a different conclusion than you seemed to be emphasizing.

Benincasa made a post, then in post 55 I said this: " But none of this is actually relevant without first establishing the background of the vision. It is one in a series of visions, going back to the six seals and ch 4.

What disturbs me is when people just ASSUME the whole thing is a "future end time scenario" but never establish that is, in fact, the case. They don't point out the six seals and identify WHEN THESE THINGS WERE/ARE SUPPOSED TO BEGIN.

Never mind the Jesuit Counter-Reformation history of futurist eschatology..."

The very next post from you was 61, and you said this: " It would be interesting to see what you believe. Explain what it REALLY meant. How it looked when it was fulfilled?

Bottomless pit? Creatures? Angel of the pit? The five months of torment?"

So, we can see YOU ARE THE ONE WHO ANSWERETH NOT THE QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR DOCTRINE. You get asked questions and can't answer, and instead of just saying "Hey, good question, never thought about that, let me get back to you on it" you deflect by asking "It would be neat if you forgot you were asking for me to explain my doctrine and instead let me avoid all questions and distract you with questions of my own the answers to which I won't pay no mind anyway cause epicsearch."

[Esaias]

And then Mike leaves the thread.

Wow. Well, I'm moving on to other things.

[Michael The Disciple]

I FIRST asked you about your statements concerning Tartarus, in post 49 and post 50. In post 51 I gave an explanation of the passage in Peter's epistle. I not only asked you, but I gave a thorough explanation of how I understood it.

Your explanation seems wrong. Peter was teaching straight forward about angels that sinned being punished. They were put in Tartarus. Peter said so. He follows with the days of Noah and Sodom how they were also punished.

You said:

Is it not interesting that Peter here quotes from the book of Enoch (chapter 10, verse 4, to be exact)? A Jewish mythological treatise? And in the parallel passage in Jude, when speaking of these sinning angels, again the Jewish apocryphal (pseudepigraphical) book of Enoch is quoted from? Why do both writers quote a non Biblical Jewish myth, instead of just quoting Genesis, when talking about these sinning angels? Perhaps because they are referencing a JEWISH MYTH PROMOTED BY THE FALSE TEACHERS?

Peter and Jude quoted truth. Why would they be teaching myths? They quoted the book of Enoch. They obviously had access to it. What we have today seems corrupt but that does not mean the one they had was.

So is your point since you dont believe in Tartarus you dont believe it is the bottomless pit? I never said it was. Dom brought it up. I said ok maybe and moved on.

In post 53 I pointed out Rev 4:9 leads to a different conclusion than you seemed to be emphasizing.

You said :

Mike, the scorpion demons, as you call them, can only torment those who have not the seal of God (Rev 9:4). So believers who are sealed to God aren't in danger of thinking there's an alien invasion, and people who aren't sealed get the torment no matter what they think.

So, sounds more like you are caught up in the epic grandiosity of a Tolkien-esque end time scenario, rather than being diligent to understand what these VISIONS in the Apocalypse mean. Just maybe?

Did you listen to my video? The whole point was to exhort Christians to draw near to God so they would be sealed from the judgements.

Benincasa made a post, then in post 55 I said this: " But none of this is actually relevant without first establishing the background of the vision. It is one in a series of visions, going back to the six seals and ch 4.

It was a video meant to stir awakening to end time dangers. It wasnt meant to be a book or a long deep study. It was pointing out just two of the judgements coming in the end time. People usually dont watch long teaching videos so I try to keep most of them short.

If just the mention of 2 of these judgements has brought us to 11 pages of discussion can you imagine what all 7 would do?

What disturbs me is when people just ASSUME the whole thing is a "future end time scenario" but never establish that is, in fact, the case. They don't point out the six seals and identify WHEN THESE THINGS WERE/ARE SUPPOSED TO BEGIN.

Well since the seals begin in Rev 6:1 and takes only 16 verses to get us to the great day of Gods wrath I would not assume that thousands of years of history are passing by.

Since the sealing of Rev. 7 takes us to Rev 7:14 which mentions the great tribulation that in my opinion is showing an end time scenario.

The very next post from you was 61, and you said this: " It would be interesting to see what you believe. Explain what it REALLY meant. How it looked when it was fulfilled?

Bottomless pit? Creatures? Angel of the pit? The five months of torment?"

So, we can see YOU ARE THE ONE WHO ANSWERETH NOT THE QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR DOCTRINE. You get asked questions and can't answer, and instead of just saying "Hey, good question, never thought about that, let me get back to you on it" you deflect by asking "It would be neat if you forgot you were asking for me to explain my doctrine and instead let me avoid all questions and distract you with questions of my own the answers to which I won't pay no mind anyway cause epicsearch."

Does it seem evil to you that I asked you all what those things mean to you? What kind of discussion is this? To me those things I asked you is what the discussion is about. You all came mocking what I said in the video about THOSE THINGS.

Neither of you have explained your belief about those things after all this time. You have only ridiculed what I believe.

The distraction is not from me. Im trying to stay on point.

[diakonos]

Good grief! They weren’t teaching myths. They were refuting them. Good grief!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Does it seem evil to you that I asked you all what those things mean to you? What kind of discussion is this? To me those things I asked you is what the discussion is about. You all came mocking what I said in the video about THOSE THINGS.

Neither of you have explained your belief about those things after all this time. You have only ridiculed what I believe.

The distraction is not from me. Im trying to stay on point.

You have GOT to be kidding me.

I came in after *somebody* mentioned a chupacabra, and posted a pic. Then I asked about the whole Tartarus thing, and gave my understanding. You did not really respond or interact with any of that.

Then I brought up the issue of what makes you think Revelation takes place in a short space all at the end. Upon which you asked for my opinion on the scorpion demons. I asked several times, if you would explain why you think Revelation takes place in a short space of time at the end. And you complained that I am not exegeting Rev 9. And you suggest I might be ashamed of what I believe, and that's why I won't answer your demands.

Really? Brother, I like you. But you have proven to me that you are incapable of actually and reliably teaching on the subject of Bible prophecy. Not because you have ideas I disagree with. But because you don't answer questions, for one, two you get snidely when asked about your doctrine, and third you don't actually teach anything.

Like I said, I'm moving on, I now know there is literally no profit in discussing Bible prophecy with you. It's just not something you do very well.

[diakonos]

I did NOT post a pic of a chupacabra.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by diakonos

I did NOT post a pic of a chupacabra.

I posted the pic of a chupacabra plush toy.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I posted the pic of a chupacabra plush toy.

The comma. lol

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Good grief! They weren’t teaching myths. They were refuting them. Good grief!

Mike, look at this above post.

This is a man who honestly has read the thread, and is explaining to you what was written. You on the other hand is buck dancing. In your post reply to Esaias you played the figure skater, and crawfish. This thread has as its topic YOUR video, concerning YOUR doctrine. Pookey in the other thread about YOUR video, gave you a good teaching stamp of approval. Maybe Pookey is your relative, or you under a different nick. But, you were quick to give an affirmative to Pookey. Meaning, you have no problem with holding a discussions if we were all Fort Lauderdale housewives fawning over your ecclesiastical End Time Marvel Universe. But, once you have to become the TEACHER!!!! You mess your diaper, and wee, wee, wee, all the way home. Be it PalTalk or YouTubes you only want to be the talking head. Unless you are sniveling about to beard or not to beard, then you will be posting answers like a champion. You don't see Dom or Esaias answering your question? Maybe it is because we are sick and tired of self proclaimed BIBLE TEACHERS like you. Who freely take jabs and poo poo around BEING a TEACHER, concerning what THEY SUPPOSEDLY BELIEVE. Mike, get real, you want us to answer your questions so you can post....WRONG, WRONG, WRONG? Without any substantial rebuttal concerning book, chapter, and verse?

Mike, you come from a paradigm where all you see that there is only one guy who teaches a group. You have no eldership in your life, no fellow ministers to tap you on the shoulder and say, "hey bro, that is real far out. You mind explaining that????" No, its just you, your wife and a dog named Boo.

Oh, and slumming at a UPCI church is ZERO accountability. You submit to nothing. You just stand on the sidelines and critique. You are taking in the show, without any skin in the game. You need to JOIN a church family, and submit to the ministry. See the difference?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by diakonos

I did NOT post a pic of a chupacabra.

How about a End Time Zombie Chihuahua?