why evangelics love Israel

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Well, let's look at how the Judeans determined a pedigree. Ezra 2:59-62

These were they which went up from Telmelah, Telharsa, Cherub, Addan, and Immer: BUT they COULD NOT SHEW THEIR FATHER'S HOUSE, AND THEIR SEED, WHETHER THEY WERE OF ISRAEL.

The children of Delaiah, the children of Tobiah, the children of Nekoda, six hundred fifty and two. And of the children of the priests: the children of Habaiah, the children of Koz, the children of Barzillai; which took a wife of the daughters of Barzillai the GILEADITE, and was called after their name:

These sought their register among those that were RECKONED BY GENEALOGY, but they were NOT FOUND: therefore were they, AS POLLUTED, put from the priesthood.

Now if you would of taken blood from these priests you would of come up with genetic markers showing they were Semites. Yet, that obviously wasn't what the ancient Judeans or Israelites were looking for. It wasn't DNA genome. It was simply WHO MARRIED WHO. Who was the father of who, that is it. Might be a bit archaic, no biology involved, but they got the job done. Long lengthy genealogies like Jesus, which we have in Matthew and Luke. Jesus wasn't a priest, He wasn't of the sons of Zadok, but we have two genealogies for this Judean. A genealogy could make you or break you.So are the Sephardi, Ashkenazi, Yemenite, and Ethiopian Modern Jews genetically related to those of the Bible? The answer would have to be not Biblically. Because it had little to do with actual genetics, but way more with pedigree lineages. So, when we go around calling these CONVERTS to Babylonian Talmudic Judaism the chosen people, the old testament Jews, so on and so forth. We are doing that mistakenly. For centuries the people who practiced what is called Judaism are known as Jews. Just like people who practice Pentecostalism are called Pentecostals. Difference being we would never believe the Pentecostals are an actually race, but sadly we feel no check in the logic area. Look, were they born in Judea? No, because hundreds of years ago it no longer was called Judea. Are they even of the tribe of Judah? Now that's like finding a chicken with a row of gold teeth. They are not related to the people who in Matthew 27:25, said "let His blood be upon us and upon our children." Look I'm of Italian decent but I cannot say that I'm directly related to the Romans of the Roman Empire. Without a Genealogical map it is impossible. Hence royalty, religious hierarchical families had stricht genealogies. So, did tribal groups of many nations, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Ethiopians and Israelites. Can my wife, daughters, and mother in law trace their lineages back to the ancient Greeks? NO WAY. But would anyone debate that issue with any passion? No, but when it comes to the Jews, and Israel we have made it a religiously pious and verboten issue if one should deny their pedigree with Moses. Sorry, but the Jews living today would get the left foot of fellowship from Ezra and Nehemiah.

EB - so you are basically saying that because they cannot trace their lineage, then they are not "Biblical" Jews.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

EB - so you are basically saying that because they cannot trace their lineage, then they are not "Biblical" Jews.

Exactly what Ezra and Nehemiah said. Lineages were everything in ancient societies. If a child was born, if someone died, or if they committed an offense against the tribe. Names were either entered or blotted out. The Bible shows us who is who. Ezra and Nehemiah didn’t accept untraceable people.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Think about this, if genealogical lineage is no longer needed then anyone can say they are a Biblical Jew just through Rabbinical conversion. No way that would be accepted by the Israelites and Judeans of the Bible.

[Evang.Benincasa]

A very important thing to note is that all Israelite and Judean genealogies ran back to Abraham. Abraham had an important blessing. Now after Christ, should we believe that through circumcision conversion to become a Jew we can have that blessing? Think about it.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

A very important thing to note is that all Israelite and Judean genealogies ran back to Abraham. Abraham had an important blessing. Now after Christ, should we believe that through circumcision conversion to become a Jew we can have that blessing? Think about it.

The influence of judaizers is still with us. Recently a sister from my church asked me if I wanted to go with her to see Rabbi Jonathan Chan to hear a prophetic word, I said no thank you. Did not know what else to say. Some people are obsessed with all things Jewish.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

The influence of judaizers is still with us. Recently a sister from my church asked me if I wanted to go with her to see Rabbi Jonathan Chan to hear a prophetic word, I said no thank you. Did not know what else to say. Some people are obsessed with all things Jewish.

No thank you, is really all you can say.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Exactly what Ezra and Nehemiah said. Lineages were everything in ancient societies. If a child was born, if someone died, or if they committed an offense against the tribe. Names were either entered or blotted out. The Bible shows us who is who. Ezra and Nehemiah didn’t accept untraceable people.

EB - thanks for the explanation. Your explanation makes sense to me.
I thought we were headed another way, which is where previous discussions I have had on this topic have gone.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

EB - thanks for the explanation. Your explanation makes sense to me.
I thought we were headed another way, which is where previous discussions I have had on this topic have gone.

Thank you for the good questions.