Netanyahu: I will name a golan town after trump

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Seriously? Do you even read what you post?

You said "I thank God that He would never throw Israel or its people under the bus today. God isn't anti-semitic."

God DID INDEED "throw Israel under the bus", several times. That wouldn't make Him "antisemitic" at all. By the way, is God anticanaanitic? Aren't Arabs and Palestinians supposed to be Semitic, too?

You also distinguished between Israel "or its people". You seem to think the political entity called "The State Of Israel" is the Israel spoken of in the Bible? Israel, in the Bible, IS THE PEOPLE.

But anyway, God Himself in His Word says whoever denies Jesus is the Christ is ANTICHRIST.

How is it that Christians can support and side with and defend ANTICHRIST??? Meanwhile many of you are all busy thinking Nicolai Carpathia or whatever with his VeriChip giveaway is what the Bible is warning about, while you SERVE ANTICHRIST THINKING YOU ARE SERVING GOD!!!!!

Didn't those old timey preachers tell you that Antichrist would be a DECEIVER? Not show up with horns and pitchfork drooling black venom like some WitchKing of Angmar.

Good grief the deception runs thick.

They are people, just like anyone else in need of salvation. That is how I believe God views them. You want to bring dispensationalism into the conversation, but the bottom line is that they are just people. And it just sounds like y’all hate them or something.

You also don’t know when or who among them will have their eyes opened. Who would have thought Saul/Paul would believe in Jesus Christ. You are writing them off and it isn’t your place to do that.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

They are people, just like anyone else in need of salvation. That is how I believe God views them. You want to bring dispensationalism into the conversation, but the bottom line is that they are just people. And it just sounds like y’all hate them or something.

You also don’t know when or who among them will have their eyes opened. Who would have thought Saul/Paul would believe in Jesus Christ. You are writing them off and it isn’t your place to do that.

This is interesting, I would like to discuss this for a moment. Please explain how it sounds like we HATE them. First of all I believe those who have posted about them gave adequate explanations how Modern Jews and Israelis are not even remotely connect to Bible Israelites 12 tribes as the Bible prescribes. There is no hate, but only explanation on how they are not Biblically connected to the Bible. We are called anti Semitic, and now haters? But te Bible gives definition on who is actually of the tribes. Which Modern Jews are not. How is that being hateful? Actually you have been programed to respond this way to us. Because we are showing you the truth. Which we cannot refute, and if you have something to add by all means give a rebuttal.
Dispensationalism is brought into the discussion because it is the detergent which was employed to get you to respond the way you do. It isn't your fault that you respond in this manner. It is part and parcel of your religious experience. The Rabbis, Israeli settlers, and secular Israelis totally understand this, and see you all as Manchurian candidates. Which by buzz words you will carry out to defend their cause. Pretty amazing watching this all work out. So, buy all means please show us how we "look, like haters"

[TK Burk]

If you’re one that believes a written lineage establishing a “pure Jewish bloodline” back to Abraham and Adam still exists, ask yourself why the lineage for the priest candidates in Rabbi Richman’s Temple Institute in Jerusalem is researched only back to their great-grandfather. This is where this practice is admitted:

“Kohanim, priests directly descended from Moses’s brother Aaron, are recognized by the Institute as such IF THEIR PATERNAL GRANDFATHER OBSERVED THE TRADITION.” (Jerusalem Post, Third Temple Preparations begin with Priestly Garb, 2008)

Tracking your lineage to your “paternal grandfather” would in no way satisfy what is biblically commanded to qualify a man to be a Jewish priest.

Since no written lineage exists today, some preachers claim that DNA can be substituted as evidence. DNA experts would disagree for they know there is no test that can prove the purity of a bloodline. Thus, there is no test that gives absolute proof of a pure Cohen bloodline going back to Aaron’s priestly family and beyond. Therefore, DNA evidence cannot meet God’s stipulations for qualifying a person for the Levitical priesthood. This 60 Minute’s broadcast focused on the good and bad of DNA testing:

“‘This business of genetic genealogy is fraught with limitations. For one thing, it can only provide information about a tiny fraction of our ancestry. Because we get half our DNA from our mothers and a half from our fathers, almost all of our DNA gets shuffled and remixed every generation, making it impossible to trace what comes from whom. There are just two bits of DNA that remain pure – the ‘Y’ chromosome, which passes directly from father to son, and something called ‘mitochondrial DNA’, which passes unchanged from mother to child.’ 



Hank Greely, a law professor at Stanford University, has studied this new field. He worries that people don’t realize just how many ancestors they actually have.



‘Eight generations ago both you and I had 256 great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents.’ Wait, you’re saying if you go back eight generations we have 256 great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents? ‘Yes, it doubles every generation. So you’ve got two parents. You have four grandparents. You have eight great grandparents. Sixteen great-great-grandparents. And it adds up fast. It adds up so fast in fact that if you go back 20 generations you’ve got over a million grandparents.’ 



1,048,576 to be exact. And in each generation, DNA testing can provide information about only two of them. 



‘So you could be Peruvian on your mother’s mother’s mother’s side. Japanese on your father’s father’s father’s side. Swedish on everything else.’ And you’ll never know. ‘You’ll never know Swedish from the ‘Y’ chromosome from the mitochondrial DNA.’” (60 Minutes, Rebuilding the Family Tree)

Not only do those candidates hoping to perform animal sacrifices or become the Jewish High Priest need a written lineage proving they have a pure Kohanim bloodline, but more specifically, they must prove they are from the priestly line of Zadok (see Ezekiel 43:19, Ezekiel 44:15-17, Ezekiel 48:11-12). Why a lineage from Zadok? It is no coincidence that the name Zadok means “righteousness.” It appears his descendants were chosen because of Zadok’s faithfulness to David’s throne. He stood with David during the time of Absalom’s rebellion (see 2 Samuel 15:24-29). He also stood with Solomon in preference to Adonijah (see 1 Kings 1:8, 1 Kings 1:39). Because of his fidelity, God made Zadok’s decedents the exclusive line of priests to serve at the altar of sacrifice and in the office of High Priest.

The dilemma for Dispensational teachers is there is no such written lineage to prove who is and who is not of the priestly line of Zadok. DNA testing certainly cannot do this. Nevertheless, the Bible demands a proven lineage, for, without it, there can be no purification from the ashes of a red heifer…ashes which only a Zadok priest can prepare…and the problem goes around and around and around (see Numbers 19:3–10).

Names on tombstones, DNA testing, and tracing one’s family tree back to a paternal grandfather does not satisfy the command for carefully documented genealogy like those found in the book of Numbers, Matthew 1, and Luke 3. Regarding priestly genealogy, the following quote is from Rabbi Alfred J. Kolatch. He has authored about 50 books including The Jewish Home Advisor, This is the Torah and Jewish Book of Why. In his book, Inside Judaism: The Concepts, Customs, And Celebrations of the Jewish People, he writes:

“Despite the acceptance of proselytes the equals of unborn Jews, in Jewish Law certain limitations are placed upon the convert, the most oppressive being that of a priest (Cohen) may not marry a convert, although a daughter of a Cohen may marry a convert. The reason offered is since early proselytes came from heathen stock, they were considered tainted. Therefore, a priest, who was expected to be as unblemished as the sacrifice he offered on the altar, was not permitted to marry a woman whose past life might reflect negatively on his character, or stigmatize his offspring. 



Today, only the orthodox community abides by these restitutions. The position taken by the Rabbinical Assembly (Conservative) is that since today’s priests, in general, are of uncertain genealogy and there is no way to prove to them that they are descendants of the family of Aaron of the tribe of Levi, the ruling has lost its validity. They also argue that it is unfair and even embarrassing to admit a female proselyte to the Jewish fold, but then to deny her the right to marry a Cohen, based on a regulation that might have had validity when the Temple existed but is no longer a factor in Jewish life. The reestablishment of the Temple, they argue, is not anticipated. The Reform and Reconstructionist rabbinate share the Conservative view.” (Inside Judaism: The Concepts, Customs, And Celebrations of the Jewish People, Alfred J. Kolatch, The Priestly Family, page 135)

Did you see that Kolatch admitted that today “There is no way to prove that they are descendants of the family of Aaron of the tribe of Levi”?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

They are people, just like anyone else in need of salvation. That is how I believe God views them.

Not true. You do NOT view them as "just like anyone else in need of salvation", nor do you believe God thinks of them in that same way. The truth is you believe they are DIFFERENT, and that God views them differently as well. You believe they are the people mentioned in the Bible as Israel. the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. You believe they are special, and deserve special treatment, like they shouldn't be criticized, or that if someone doesn't support them they must be "hateful antisemites".

Look inside yourself, and compare your thoughts and feelings towards Jews in Israel with your thoughts and feelings towards Christians in the West Bank, Syria, or Lebanon, or within Israel itself.

You want to bring dispensationalism into the conversation, but the bottom line is that they are just people.

Just people... who our government gives billions and billions of dollars to, in order to secure their borders, while our own borders are wide open, while these recipients of our largesse (tribute?) hamper and hinder and oppose our own efforts to secure our borders... just people who demand the right to live in their own ethnostate while labelling anyone else desiring the same exact thing as being naziswhowanttokillsixmillionjews...just people that our sons and daughters bleed and die to protect, and to further their aims, while bombing everyone who Israel opposes...

This is the classic, historical definition of being a TRIBUTARY, of being CONQUERED.

And it just sounds like y’all hate them or something.

That's because not worshipping the official god is always "hateful". Anyone who is critical or fails to bow when the shofars are tweeted is accused of "hate". And the accusation no longer even registers on the radar, it has been overused.

You also don’t know when or who among them will have their eyes opened. Who would have thought Saul/Paul would believe in Jesus Christ. You are writing them off and it isn’t your place to do that.

I haven't written anybody off. I'm just saying they don't need my money, adulation, adoration, nor do I need to sit by as Scripture is twisted and lies are peddled by the ignorant.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Did you see that Kolatch admitted that today “There is no way to prove that they are descendants of the family of Aaron of the tribe of Levi”?

Excellent, yet the "seeing" isn't part of those who have been schooled in Dispensationalism. Logic and facts don't weigh heavy in their paradigm. Therefore while those who have either thought outside the box, and those who have never been in the box can see this scenario planly. The dispensationalist has the automatic shut down switch in the back of the brain. He or she cannot accept the data because the walls of defense are tributaries which reach other facets within their religious experience. Like, Moonies, Sciencetologists, Jehovah Witness, or People's Temple, any conflicting information must be shut down. The arguments never change, they always remain the same. The Babylonian Talmud Rabbi understands totally, that the dispensationalist will defend their group. Look at it this way. Imagine Christians defending the pharisees against Jesus?

Pretty interesting stuff.

But, I must stress that the dispensationalist doesn't (COULDN'T) even begin to understand that what he or she are doing.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Not true. You do NOT view them as "just like anyone else in need of salvation", nor do you believe God thinks of them in that same way. The truth is you believe they are DIFFERENT, and that God views them differently as well. You believe they are the people mentioned in the Bible as Israel. the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. You believe they are special, and deserve special treatment, like they shouldn't be criticized, or that if someone doesn't support them they must be "hateful antisemites".

Look inside yourself, and compare your thoughts and feelings towards Jews in Israel with your thoughts and feelings towards Christians in the West Bank, Syria, or Lebanon, or within Israel itself.




Just people... who our government gives billions and billions of dollars to, in order to secure their borders, while our own borders are wide open, while these recipients of our largesse (tribute?) hamper and hinder and oppose our own efforts to secure our borders... just people who demand the right to live in their own ethnostate while labelling anyone else desiring the same exact thing as being naziswhowanttokillsixmillionjews...just people that our sons and daughters bleed and die to protect, and to further their aims, while bombing everyone who Israel opposes...

This is the classic, historical definition of being a TRIBUTARY, of being CONQUERED.



That's because not worshipping the official god is always "hateful". Anyone who is critical or fails to bow when the shofars are tweeted is accused of "hate". And the accusation no longer even registers on the radar, it has been overused.



I haven't written anybody off. I'm just saying they don't need my money, adulation, adoration, nor do I need to sit by as Scripture is twisted and lies are peddled by the ignorant.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Excellent, yet the "seeing" isn't part of those who have been schooled in Dispensationalism. Logic and facts don't weigh heavy in their paradigm. Therefore while those who have either thought outside the box, and those who have never been in the box can see this scenario planly. The dispensationalist has the automatic shut down switch in the back of the brain. He or she cannot accept the data because the walls of defense are tributaries which reach other facets within their religious experience. Like, Moonies, Sciencetologists, Jehovah Witness, or People's Temple, any conflicting information must be shut down. The arguments never change, they always remain the same. The Babylonian Talmud Rabbi understands totally, that the dispensationalist will defend their group. Look at it this way. Imagine Christians defending the pharisees against Jesus?

Pretty interesting stuff.

But, I must stress that the dispensationalist doesn't (COULDN'T) even begin to understand that what he or she are doing.

EXACTLY. Especially that last sentence. It's programming, anything else "does not compute... blerp blerp... error... error... Danger, Will Robinson!"

[Evang.Benincasa]

This is a question for the DNA crowd.

Why does the Old Testament have lists of Genealogies?

Why was it important for Matthew and Luke to show us Jesus’?

[Ehud]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Not true. You do NOT view them as "just like anyone else in need of salvation", nor do you believe God thinks of them in that same way. The truth is you believe they are DIFFERENT, and that God views them differently as well.

This seems to be the case with many groups these days. They want to be ‘equal’ by receiving ‘special’ treatment.

Absolutely spot on.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Not true. You do NOT view them as "just like anyone else in need of salvation", nor do you believe God thinks of them in that same way. The truth is you believe they are DIFFERENT, and that God views them differently as well. You believe they are the people mentioned in the Bible as Israel. the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. You believe they are special, and deserve special treatment, like they shouldn't be criticized, or that if someone doesn't support them they must be "hateful antisemites".

Look inside yourself, and compare your thoughts and feelings towards Jews in Israel with your thoughts and feelings towards Christians in the West Bank, Syria, or Lebanon, or within Israel itself.




Just people... who our government gives billions and billions of dollars to, in order to secure their borders, while our own borders are wide open, while these recipients of our largesse (tribute?) hamper and hinder and oppose our own efforts to secure our borders... just people who demand the right to live in their own ethnostate while labelling anyone else desiring the same exact thing as being naziswhowanttokillsixmillionjews...just people that our sons and daughters bleed and die to protect, and to further their aims, while bombing everyone who Israel opposes...

This is the classic, historical definition of being a TRIBUTARY, of being CONQUERED.

America has always supported our Democratic allies. As for our borders, we do need to do more, but there are Constitutional arguments that must be hashed out in Congress. The 14th Amendment being one. We can argue about that all day. It will have to be decided by the Supreme Court.

That's because not worshipping the official god is always "hateful". Anyone who is critical or fails to bow when the shofars are tweeted is accused of "hate". And the accusation no longer even registers on the radar, it has been overused.



I haven't written anybody off. I'm just saying they don't need my money, adulation, adoration, nor do I need to sit by as Scripture is twisted and lies are peddled by the ignorant.

You always come across as angry and hateful toward those you dialogue with. The bold is case in point. You always insult anyone who disagrees with you.
We should compile a list of everyone you have called, stupid, ignorant, etc.,...

"Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:" Acts 10:34

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28

Maybe you are surprised that someone could defend a country that is our largest and only Democratic ally in the region while also believing that they must obey Acts 2:38 because there is no other message whereby they will be saved.