Netanyahu: I will name a golan town after trump

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

If you’re one that believes a written lineage establishing a “pure Jewish bloodline” back to Abraham and Adam still exists, ask yourself why the lineage for the priest candidates in Rabbi Richman’s Temple Institute in Jerusalem is researched only back to their great-grandfather. This is where this practice is admitted:

“Kohanim, priests directly descended from Moses’s brother Aaron, are recognized by the Institute as such IF THEIR PATERNAL GRANDFATHER OBSERVED THE TRADITION.” (Jerusalem Post, Third Temple Preparations begin with Priestly Garb, 2008)

Tracking your lineage to your “paternal grandfather” would in no way satisfy what is biblically commanded to qualify a man to be a Jewish priest.

Since no written lineage exists today, some preachers claim that DNA can be substituted as evidence. DNA experts would disagree for they know there is no test that can prove the purity of a bloodline. Thus, there is no test that gives absolute proof of a pure Cohen bloodline going back to Aaron’s priestly family and beyond. Therefore, DNA evidence cannot meet God’s stipulations for qualifying a person for the Levitical priesthood. This 60 Minute’s broadcast focused on the good and bad of DNA testing:

“‘This business of genetic genealogy is fraught with limitations. For one thing, it can only provide information about a tiny fraction of our ancestry. Because we get half our DNA from our mothers and a half from our fathers, almost all of our DNA gets shuffled and remixed every generation, making it impossible to trace what comes from whom. There are just two bits of DNA that remain pure – the ‘Y’ chromosome, which passes directly from father to son, and something called ‘mitochondrial DNA’, which passes unchanged from mother to child.’ 



Hank Greely, a law professor at Stanford University, has studied this new field. He worries that people don’t realize just how many ancestors they actually have.



‘Eight generations ago both you and I had 256 great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents.’ Wait, you’re saying if you go back eight generations we have 256 great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents? ‘Yes, it doubles every generation. So you’ve got two parents. You have four grandparents. You have eight great grandparents. Sixteen great-great-grandparents. And it adds up fast. It adds up so fast in fact that if you go back 20 generations you’ve got over a million grandparents.’ 



1,048,576 to be exact. And in each generation, DNA testing can provide information about only two of them. 



‘So you could be Peruvian on your mother’s mother’s mother’s side. Japanese on your father’s father’s father’s side. Swedish on everything else.’ And you’ll never know. ‘You’ll never know Swedish from the ‘Y’ chromosome from the mitochondrial DNA.’” (60 Minutes, Rebuilding the Family Tree)

Not only do those candidates hoping to perform animal sacrifices or become the Jewish High Priest need a written lineage proving they have a pure Kohanim bloodline, but more specifically, they must prove they are from the priestly line of Zadok (see Ezekiel 43:19, Ezekiel 44:15-17, Ezekiel 48:11-12). Why a lineage from Zadok? It is no coincidence that the name Zadok means “righteousness.” It appears his descendants were chosen because of Zadok’s faithfulness to David’s throne. He stood with David during the time of Absalom’s rebellion (see 2 Samuel 15:24-29). He also stood with Solomon in preference to Adonijah (see 1 Kings 1:8, 1 Kings 1:39). Because of his fidelity, God made Zadok’s decedents the exclusive line of priests to serve at the altar of sacrifice and in the office of High Priest.

The dilemma for Dispensational teachers is there is no such written lineage to prove who is and who is not of the priestly line of Zadok. DNA testing certainly cannot do this. Nevertheless, the Bible demands a proven lineage, for, without it, there can be no purification from the ashes of a red heifer…ashes which only a Zadok priest can prepare…and the problem goes around and around and around (see Numbers 19:3–10).

Names on tombstones, DNA testing, and tracing one’s family tree back to a paternal grandfather does not satisfy the command for carefully documented genealogy like those found in the book of Numbers, Matthew 1, and Luke 3. Regarding priestly genealogy, the following quote is from Rabbi Alfred J. Kolatch. He has authored about 50 books including The Jewish Home Advisor, This is the Torah and Jewish Book of Why. In his book, Inside Judaism: The Concepts, Customs, And Celebrations of the Jewish People, he writes:

“Despite the acceptance of proselytes the equals of unborn Jews, in Jewish Law certain limitations are placed upon the convert, the most oppressive being that of a priest (Cohen) may not marry a convert, although a daughter of a Cohen may marry a convert. The reason offered is since early proselytes came from heathen stock, they were considered tainted. Therefore, a priest, who was expected to be as unblemished as the sacrifice he offered on the altar, was not permitted to marry a woman whose past life might reflect negatively on his character, or stigmatize his offspring. 



Today, only the orthodox community abides by these restitutions. The position taken by the Rabbinical Assembly (Conservative) is that since today’s priests, in general, are of uncertain genealogy and there is no way to prove to them that they are descendants of the family of Aaron of the tribe of Levi, the ruling has lost its validity. They also argue that it is unfair and even embarrassing to admit a female proselyte to the Jewish fold, but then to deny her the right to marry a Cohen, based on a regulation that might have had validity when the Temple existed but is no longer a factor in Jewish life. The reestablishment of the Temple, they argue, is not anticipated. The Reform and Reconstructionist rabbinate share the Conservative view.” (Inside Judaism: The Concepts, Customs, And Celebrations of the Jewish People, Alfred J. Kolatch, The Priestly Family, page 135)

Did you see that Kolatch admitted that today “There is no way to prove that they are descendants of the family of Aaron of the tribe of Levi”?

Yet, the disagreement for me is not trying to find a priest. My view is that bloodlines began in the beginning and they don’t end just because records were destroyed for Preterists or anyone else in 70 AD.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Yet, the disagreement for me is not trying to find a priest. My view is that bloodlines began in the beginning and they don’t end just because records were destroyed for Preterists or anyone else in 70 AD.

Sister, it wasn’t any eschatology group which came up with the idea of genealogy. It was God. It is how God determined how Israel was to keep their lineage. Sorry.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sister, it wasn’t any eschatology group which came up with the idea of genealogy. It was God. It is how God determined how Israel was to keep their lineage. Sorry.

I believe that was the case during a working Theocracy. My point is that our family genealogy has been traced to Poland and Germany as far as records go. Even if my records can’t be accounted for beyond the era, which I can’t recall, it doesn’t mean our bloodline stopped. So, to say that there is no genealogy tracing back to the tribe of Judah or any other tribe is false.

Now you can see that I don’t have a Levitical priesthood in mind but simply JEWISH PEOPLE. You and Esaias are saying NONE could be traced by blood, but you can’t prove that to be true.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I believe that was the case during a working Theocracy. My point is that our family genealogy has been traced to Poland and Germany as far as records go. Even if my records can’t be accounted for beyond the era, which I can’t recall, it doesn’t mean our bloodline stopped. So, to say that there is no genealogy tracing back to the tribe of Judah or any other tribe is false.

Now you can see that I don’t have a Levitical priesthood in mind but simply JEWISH PEOPLE. You and Esaias are saying NONE could be traced by blood, but you can’t prove that to be true.

Sis, traced by blood isn’t found in the Bible. Traced by family lineage is found in the Bible. Why are lineages recorded in the Bible in the first place? Why are we given the genealogy of Jesus? Why is it important? If I call someone ignorant it is because they are. They are ignorant of the topics being discussed. It doesn’t make them a bad person, just makes them ignorant of the topic. Not being able to trace your genealogy means what? You actually prove my argument by your example. An example that may stretch back a 100 years? But you expect people to believe there are Jews who can trace back a complete linage back to Ezra? You would be able to faster trace your lineage to King David’s sling shot maker.

So explain why they had geneaolies, lineages, and pedigrees?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sis, traced by blood isn’t found in the Bible. Traced by family lineage is found in the Bible. Why are lineages recorded in the Bible in the first place? Why are we given the genealogy of Jesus? Why is it important? If I call someone ignorant it is because they are. They are ignorant of the topics being discussed. It doesn’t make them a bad person, just makes them ignorant of the topic. Not being able to trace your genealogy means what? You actually prove my argument by your example. An example that may stretch back a 100 years? But you expect people to believe there are Jews who can trace back a complete linage back to Ezra? You would be able to faster trace your lineage to King David’s sling shot maker.

So explain why they had geneaolies, lineages, and pedigrees?

So, “today” the process used would be genetic genealogy. It would be the same thing using a different process. They didn’t have the capability during the time of Ezra.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

So, “today” the process used would be genetic genealogy. It would be the same thing using a different process. They didn’t have the capability during the time of Ezra.

Well dont know that for sure because the Bible speaks only on what the Bible speaks on and it DOESNT speak about genetic testing.


Saying that it would be done through genetic testing is kinda putting words in Gods mouth that He didnt say and thats not even covering how the Near Kinsman thing would work since if we just used genetic testing.


Also the Jewish faith is traditionally Matrilineal and I have no idea when that started...but isnt there alot thats passed on only by the father?

[TGBTG]

Look, even if the nation of Israel can be proven to be direct physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, that nation is still no different from the nation of Iran, Afghanistan, etc from a new testament perspective.
and that is the crux of the issue. This is what dispensationalism refuses to accept.

I know from experience the talking points - "1948, sign of the fig tree, all Israel shall be saved, etc" when ingrained into a person can make it difficult to see that Israel is no different from any other nation under the new testament.

But man, studying Jer 31, Heb 8, Joel 2, Acts 2, Gal 1-6, Eph 2 totally removes the concept of any one special nation (including the U.S.A) if I may add.

Please, do not misconstrue this as "anti-semitic". All that is being said is that natural ancestry is of no consequence under the new covenant.

It's John 14:6 or bust...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

So, “today” the process used would be genetic genealogy. It would be the same thing using a different process. They didn’t have the capability during the time of Ezra.

But even if they did, the group who married a wife from the daughters of Barzillai the Gileadite, would of produced perfect DNA. Ezra was looking at their paper work, and they didn't make the cut. Genetic Genealogy doesn't work Biblically. You understand this. How do I know you understand this, because when I asked yo to explain why they have genealogies in the first place and why Jesus' genealogy was so important you flat lined. But still kept to this already refuted line of argument. No one living today can trace their lineage (Biblically) to the tribes of Israel. No one. The New Covenant is the only way to be grafted into the domestic olive tree. There is only one mikvah and it is in Jesus name. God has only ONE name and it isn't YAH, Yahweh, Joeway, or Jose. It is Jesus, Acts 4:12 says zero about a tetragrammaton.

We all walk into His marvelous light in Jesus name.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all ONE in Christ Jesus.

The Israel in the Middle East has noting to do with the Bible.

You want the Holy Land, have a shouting service in Church this midweek service.

[Ehud]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You want the Holy Land, have a shouting service in Church this midweek service.

Amen and amen!