UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.

[n david]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Did I ever say they should? I teach against men wearing facial hair but I don’t teach against Sunday school department putting up mosses with a beard. You just don’t want to admit what you wear affiliates you with something and you just want to take it to the extreme Trying to make light of what we stand for. Everyone knows in our church the Bible does not say “ tho shall not have a beard “ but they understand is a “ standard “ of the church. If people want to get in rebellion over facial hair then obviously there is much deeper issues.

I believe if a person desires to be a member of a church, they should accept and practice the teachings of that church. If a Pastor preaches against beards and the man wants to grow a beard, then he should either submit to the personal preference of the Pastor or find another church.

I was attending a UPC church who's Pastor told me he had no scripture against beards, but wouldn't allow a man with a beard to be used on the platform. I didn't argue, I didn't rebel. I simply went to another church which doesn't have the same outdated preference.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by n david

I believe if a person desires to be a member of a church, they should accept and practice the teachings of that church. If a Pastor preaches against beards and the man wants to grow a beard, then he should either submit to the personal preference of the Pastor or find another church.

I was attending a UPC church who's Pastor told me he had no scripture against beards, but wouldn't allow a man with a beard to be used on the platform. I didn't argue, I didn't rebel. I simply went to another church which doesn't have the same outdated preference.

Lol you were doing well and I was at least respecting what you were saying until you had to throw in “ outdated “. But that’s fine I understand people pick church like they pick their food at a buffet.

[n david]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Lol you were doing well and I was at least respecting what you were saying until you had to throw in “ outdated “. But that’s fine I understand people pick church like they pick their food at a buffet.

1) It is outdated. Most Pastors point to the hippy movement from over 50 years ago.

2) There are salvific beliefs which shouldn't be compromised, and then there is the beard prohibition. If I want to be involved in ministry of a church and I want to grow a beard, I will choose a church where I can do both. As long as the important, salvific beliefs are not compromised. That is not a sin nor is it wrong.

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by n david

1) It is outdated. Most Pastors point to the hippy movement from over 50 years ago.

2) There are salvific beliefs which shouldn't be compromised, and then there is the beard prohibition. If I want to be involved in ministry of a church and I want to grow a beard, I will choose a church where I can do both. As long as the important, salvific beliefs are not compromised. That is not a sin nor is it wrong.

Hippies?... forget those Hippies.

Why do you want to wear a beard and look like one of them there, Muslims? It's a spirit. When people see you, they'll associate you with being Muslim. Muslims are in rebellion against God, and are enemies of truth. And when that spirit gets ahold of you, you and your whole family will end up in a training camp somewhere in Arabiastan. And if you don't think it's so... you're in rebellion and have deeper issues than facial hair.

If you wear a beard, the terrorists win!

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by n david

1) It is outdated. Most Pastors point to the hippy movement from over 50 years ago.

2) There are salvific beliefs which shouldn't be compromised, and then there is the beard prohibition. If I want to be involved in ministry of a church and I want to grow a beard, I will choose a church where I can do both. As long as the important, salvific beliefs are not compromised. That is not a sin nor is it wrong.

You say outdated, but to whom is it outdated? Surely not to the pastors and saints that came out of the 60s that identified their own beards with rebellion. How is that outdated? So here comes beards, skinny jeans, cap sleeves, mini skirts, diamond rings etc.where do you draw the line? Some of those things are not found in scriptures.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

You say outdated, but to whom is it outdated? Surely not to the pastors and saints that came out of the 60s that identified their own beards with rebellion. How is that outdated? So here comes beards, skinny jeans, cap sleeves, mini skirts, diamond rings etc.where do you draw the line? Some of those things are not found in scriptures.

Marlboro reds, tank tops, Mohawks ect...

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Marlboro reds, tank tops, Mohawks ect...

I dont get it. Some would leave a church and go find the one that.fits their fantsy so they can have a beard. No matter the relationship between the church and the family or the pastor. No loyalty, no pastoral authority, no submission.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

I dont get it. Some would leave a church and go find the one that.fits their fantsy so they can have a beard. No matter the relationship between the church and the family or the pastor. No loyalty, no pastoral authority, no submission.

Its the Internet.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

I dont get it. Some would leave a church and go find the one that.fits their fantsy so they can have a beard. No matter the relationship between the church and the family or the pastor. No loyalty, no pastoral authority, no submission.

Bottom line is they don’t want a pastor. They want the benefits of a Christian and still have there carnal life style

[n david]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

You say outdated, but to whom is it outdated? Surely not to the pastors and saints that came out of the 60s that identified their own beards with rebellion. How is that outdated?

It's outdated as in this was over 50 years ago, almost 60 years ago and yet a lot of Pastors are still pointing to "beards = hippy movement" for the reason they prohibit beards.

Good thing those rebellious hippies didn't wear jeans . . . oh wait.

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

So here comes beards, skinny jeans, cap sleeves, mini skirts, diamond rings etc.where do you draw the line? Some of those things are not found in scriptures.

Skinny jeans, cap sleeves and mini skirts are found in scripture. It's called modesty. Modesty is actually mentioned in the Bible.

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Marlboro reds, tank tops, Mohawks ect...

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Bottom line is they don’t want a pastor. They want the benefits of a Christian and still have there carnal life style

Oh good grief. You're nuts.

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

I dont get it. Some would leave a church and go find the one that.fits their fantsy so they can have a beard. No matter the relationship between the church and the family or the pastor. No loyalty, no pastoral authority, no submission.

smh

First, the Pastor of the church I left and I are on good speaking terms. He's a good friend of my family. It's funny that I'm being blasted by those who don't know anything about me, yet the Pastor affected holds no ill feelings against me. I still speak to several other friends from the church as well.

This is incredible, and all too predictable coming from cons. Cons will claim that they neither preach nor hear "beards will send you to hell," yet in the same breath, if you choose to attend a church which doesn't include this prohibition which is man-made and a personal preference NOT based in scripture, NOT based on anything but "hippies are bad" -- suddenly you become someone who's not in God's will, who's picking churches like they pick food from a buffet and worse -- rebellious.

Bottom line for men who grow facial hair: you haven't really repented; you don't really have the HG; you're in rebellion; your facial hair is a slippery slope which will lead you to wear skinny jeans, mohawks, diamond studded earrings, pinkie rings, smoking cigarettes and THAT will lead to all kinds of drugs and other sins. In a nutshell: you're going to hell.

So be honest and just say what you believe: men with facial hair are going to hell.