SISTER, I appreciate what you are saying, but you are looking down the wrong path here. God gives many things and he does ask us to give up things. But if he gives us something but asks us to stop other things then that "gift" is no longer a gift. It becomes a bribe.
Then you must consider God's gift of salvation a bribe, because, when God grants us salvation, He requires that we forsake sin. Also, you must of necessity consider a relationship with God as a bribe, rather than a gift, because He makes it conditional:
II Corinthians 6:17-18
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty
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Yes I cherished things that my future wife gave me as you did. God does the same, but no gift comes with exception. My wife gave and gives unconditionaly to me, so does God. What kinda of conditions would God put on His grace and mercy? None...
I'm sorry, but the Bible does not agree with you on this, as the following verses will show that, indeed God does put conditions upon His grace:
I Peter 5:5
Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
James 4:6
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
Psalm 84:11
For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
Proverbs 3:34
Surely he scorneth the scorners: but he giveth grace unto the lowly.
Romans 1:1-5
Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
And conditions upon His mercy:
Exodus 20:5-6
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments
Deuteronomy 7:9,12
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers
I Kings 3:6
And Solomon said, Thou hast shewed unto thy servant David my father great mercy, according as he walked before thee in truth, and in righteousness, and in uprightness of heart with thee; and thou hast kept for him this great kindness, that thou hast given him a son to sit on his throne, as it is this day.
II Chronicles 6:14
And said, O LORD God of Israel, there is no God like thee in the heaven, nor in the earth; which keepest covenant, and shewest mercy unto thy servants, that walk before thee with all their hearts:
Nehemiah 1:5
And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments:
Psalm 32:10
Many sorrows shall be to the wicked: but he that trusteth in the LORD, mercy shall compass him about
Psalm 103:8,11,17
The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.
For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.
But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;
Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
Isaiah 9:17
Therefore the Lord shall have no joy in their young men, neither shall have mercy on their fatherless and widows: for every one is an hypocrite and an evildoer, and every mouth speaketh folly. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
Daniel 9:4
And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;
Jonah 2:8
They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.
Matthew 5:7
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Luke 1:50
And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.
James 2:13
For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
Jude 20, 21
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Then you must consider God's gift of salvation a bribe, because, when God grants us salvation, He requires that we forsake sin. Also, you must of necessity consider a relationship with God as a bribe, rather than a gift, because He makes it conditional:
II Corinthians 6:17-18
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty
I'm sorry, but the Bible does not agree with you on this, as the following verses will show that, indeed God does put conditions upon His grace:
I Peter 5:5
Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
James 4:6
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
Psalm 84:11
For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
Proverbs 3:34
Surely he scorneth the scorners: but he giveth grace unto the lowly.
Romans 1:1-5
Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
And conditions upon His mercy:
Exodus 20:5-6
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments
Deuteronomy 7:9,12
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers
I Kings 3:6
And Solomon said, Thou hast shewed unto thy servant David my father great mercy, according as he walked before thee in truth, and in righteousness, and in uprightness of heart with thee; and thou hast kept for him this great kindness, that thou hast given him a son to sit on his throne, as it is this day.
II Chronicles 6:14
And said, O LORD God of Israel, there is no God like thee in the heaven, nor in the earth; which keepest covenant, and shewest mercy unto thy servants, that walk before thee with all their hearts:
Nehemiah 1:5
And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments:
Psalm 32:10
Many sorrows shall be to the wicked: but he that trusteth in the LORD, mercy shall compass him about
Psalm 103:8,11,17
The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.
For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.
But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;
Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
Isaiah 9:17
Therefore the Lord shall have no joy in their young men, neither shall have mercy on their fatherless and widows: for every one is an hypocrite and an evildoer, and every mouth speaketh folly. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
Daniel 9:4
And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;
Jonah 2:8
They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.
Matthew 5:7
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Luke 1:50
And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.
James 2:13
For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
Jude 20, 21
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Salvation is a free gift. Yes was are to obstain from sin, but that is because sin separates us from Him. Dress code does not.
Also what you so greatly provided about grace shows that God will give grace to many different people. The agrument at hand is if God gives grace to those that do not follow a dress code. He gives grace to the Humble, which says nothing about dress standards.
You are trying to draw a line that says those that do not follow a dress standard can not love God, be humble, show mercy, we are not "lowly", and can not walk uprightly. These are alll very very wrong.
You put the verse in II Corinthians 6:17-18 that tells to not touch any unclean thing and separate ourselves from "them." Separate yourself to God not stick out like a sore thumb. It is childish to think that God has become some type of task master and says, "you gotta look a certain way, dress, etc." If God wanted for all of us to be cookie cutter pentecostal christians then why did he makes us so different?
Salvation is a free gift. Yes was are to obstain from sin, but that is because sin separates us from Him. Dress code does not.
Also what you so greatly provided about grace shows that God will give grace to many different people. The agrument at hand is if God gives grace to those that do not follow a dress code. He gives grace to the Humble, which says nothing about dress standards.
You are trying to draw a line that says those that do not follow a dress standard can not love God, be humble, show mercy, we are not "lowly", and can not walk uprightly. These are alll very very wrong.
You put the verse in II Corinthians 6:17-18 that tells to not touch any unclean thing and separate ourselves from "them." Separate yourself to God not stick out like a sore thumb. It is childish to think that God has become some type of task master and says, "you gotta look a certain way, dress, etc." If God wanted for all of us to be cookie cutter pentecostal christians then why did he makes us so different?
I haven't seen her say anything about dress standards in her posts that you quoted, so I'm puzzled why you are bringing it up as if he had.
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Salvation is a free gift. Yes was are to obstain from sin, but that is because sin separates us from Him. Dress code does not.
Also what you so greatly provided about grace shows that God will give grace to many different people. The agrument at hand is if God gives grace to those that do not follow a dress code. He gives grace to the Humble, which says nothing about dress standards.
You are trying to draw a line that says those that do not follow a dress standard can not love God, be humble, show mercy, we are not "lowly", and can not walk uprightly. These are alll very very wrong.
You put the verse in II Corinthians 6:17-18 that tells to not touch any unclean thing and separate ourselves from "them." Separate yourself to God not stick out like a sore thumb. It is childish to think that God has become some type of task master and says, "you gotta look a certain way, dress, etc." If God wanted for all of us to be cookie cutter pentecostal christians then why did he makes us so different?
Whoa, now, hold yer knickers one second! Please show me WHERE in my post I said anything about a 'dress standard'? Can you please come out from that crazy rabbit hole you jumped down and address my REAL post, you know, the one that said that the BIBLE is clear that both grace and mercy are not unconditional, but conditional? That would be so helpful to the discussion at hand.
Whoa, now, hold yer knickers one second! Please show me WHERE in my post I said anything about a 'dress standard'? Can you please come out from that crazy rabbit hole you jumped down and address my REAL post, you know, the one that said that the BIBLE is clear that both grace and mercy are not unconditional, but conditional? That would be so helpful to the discussion at hand.
Rabbit hole?? Funny! Had to go home from work at some point. Computer at home is not running right.
I was using dress standards as point of referance to argue my point of Grace and Mercy. I was not meaning to make it seem I was pointing a finger at you about the dress code. My mistake, did not explain the reason I brought it up. Most people that say grace and mercy is conditional often point to dress standards though. It was a great post though, kudos.
Salvation is a free gift. Yes was are to obstain from sin, but that is because sin separates us from Him. Dress code does not.
Also what you so greatly provided about grace shows that God will give grace to many different people. The agrument at hand is if God gives grace to those that do not follow a dress code. He gives grace to the Humble, which says nothing about dress standards.
You are trying to draw a line that says those that do not follow a dress standard can not love God, be humble, show mercy, we are not "lowly", and can not walk uprightly. These are alll very very wrong.
You put the verse in II Corinthians 6:17-18 that tells to not touch any unclean thing and separate ourselves from "them." Separate yourself to God not stick out like a sore thumb. It is childish to think that God has become some type of task master and says, "you gotta look a certain way, dress, etc." If God wanted for all of us to be cookie cutter pentecostal christians then why did he makes us so different?
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Rabbit hole?? Funny! Had to go home from work at some point. Computer at home is not running right.
I was using dress standards as point of referance to argue my point of Grace and Mercy. I was not meaning to make it seem I was pointing a finger at you about the dress code. My mistake, did not explain the reason I brought it up. Most people that say grace and mercy is conditional often point to dress standards though. It was a great post though, kudos.
I haven't seen anyone on this thread say anything you claim about grace and mercy being extended to those who follow dress standards.
You also accused Roxanne of bringing it up then claim you weren't pointing a finger at her about it.
Are your eyes on straight? LOL!
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I haven't seen anyone on this thread say anything you claim about grace and mercy being extended to those who follow dress standards.
You also accused Roxanne of bringing it up then claim you weren't pointing a finger at her about it.
Are your eyes on straight? LOL!
Please reread my last post. I was stating that grace and mercy is unconditional. She listed verses that made an attempt to say differently. I used the dress standard thing as an example. I never said she brought it up. I said that I was using it as an example. In my original post I did not let her know I was using as an example to show how grace and mercy works. There are some cons that do not show mercy or grace towards a dress standards. The libs refer to God's great grace and mercy to show that the is no real dress code.
I did not write it how I was meaning to come out. I did not mean to point at her like I was saying she brought it up because she didn't. I did not mean for it to be that way. I brought it up to try and help my argument about grace and mercy.
Did that all make sense for all of you out there is trying to lynch pin me here?
I think my eyes work....may need to get them checked.
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