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Old 09-05-2019, 03:23 AM
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Re: Gino Jennings End Times

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It's salvation.

John 5 shows Jesus talking about two resurrections. The first is salvation when we hear his voice and come alive into newness of life, as in Romans 6:13 where we are said to be alive from the dead once we're saved, and must pray with that perspective in mind. The second is from the graves and is physical.



I disagree.

The gathering is protection from destruction and wrath -- see the same terms used in reference to Jerusalem at the end of Matt 23, whom HE WOULD have gathered together from trouble, but they refused.

Revelation is not a series of movies of the future. It is symbolic of what would happen after John wrote it, and the symbols are old testament stories that actually occurred literally, but are used as symbols of what would happen in John's future. John was in the same tribulation he wrote about in Revelation. He wrote the book to the early church as his brethren in tribulation. When Jesus spoke to Jerusalem about gathering them together, he said those events would happen in "this generation", which would be the generation he preached to. And the same set of words speaking about gathering together and "this generation" are found in Matt 24 speaking about the church who would be gathered INSTEAD of Jerusalem, "from the four winds". The four winds are the four horsemen that we see called the four spirits/winds in Zechariah 6. Jesus listed the six seals of Revelation 6 in Matth 24. And the first four are the four horsemen of false Christs, wars, famines and death. Tie that with Zech 6 and Rev 6 and see that the four winds he'd gather them from were the four horsemen.



Many trumpet sounds represent different things. Trumpet signaled varying events, like call to war, regathering etc. So, just because we read a trumpet does not mean Resurrection. Read about the seven trumpets in Revelation!

Matt 24 spoke of the first century when NO RESURRECTION would occur.

Jesus was asked about THE SIGN when "these things" would come to pass and the end of the WORLD/AGE would occur, not end of the planet. When they asked about THESE THINGS and the SIGN OF THY COMING, the SIGN was repeated in Mark's and Luke's gospels as the SIGN WHEN THESE THINGS shall come to pass. THESE THINGS refers tot he temple destruction. A COMING of Jesus occurred when the temple of Jerusalem was destroyed. He referred to the temple destruction as a COMING of Himself in Matt 21:40 in speaking of the parable of the vineyard and the wicked husbandmen. Not all comings are the rapture. That's the SECOND COMING not to be confused with the COMING in local destruction in the first century.



That was a coming of destruction ONLY, not for resurrection or rapture. THE SIGN mentioned in Luke 21, Mark 13 and Matt 24 was the sign of the temple destruction. No word of resurrection is plainly mentioned anywhere in those three chapters. People assume it is resurrection, but the resurreciton f 1 Cor 15 is not at all hinted at plainly in those chapters. Tradition has skewed the reference to the temple destruction in Jerusalem to be the resurrection.



No, it is definitely not. Gathering the eagles is destruction. It is a hint of the roman armies using the eagle as the standard that came in use by God's hand to destroy Jerusalem Everything listed by way of Noah entering the ark, lot and the eagles gathering, as well as the good man's house being broken up, all refer to unexpected Destruction only.


Carcase is a dead body, not at all analogous to the living church.


Sun darkening and moon not shining are apocalyptic references used any time a kingdom was destroyed and are not literal. See the book of Isaiah for a few similar references when Egypt was destroyed as well as Babylon.

It's pop-prophecy making millions in movies and pulp books that you've happened upon, and it's rife with error.
I will tell you (maybe) latter about the rest. But fgrom the begining you start wrong
First Resurrection is Rapture (all the Saint from the beginning till the last days saints that will be alive in after the Grate Tribulation:
First resurrection:
Revelation 20: 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection

Second resurrection :
Revelation 20: 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
20: 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them:[U] and they were judged [/U]every man according to their works.1 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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