Can/Should Christians Be Democrats?

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Brother, I think we have discovered the problem. You are not basing your doctrine on scripture. You are basing it on the doctrine of men.

If the Bible doesn’t support your doctrine of men, you ignore the Bible. You would believe men that you can (or in this case, could) see and hear, rather than God, who you cannot see. Whose report shall you believe?

And, don’t get too uptight about the civil discourse. Remember I warned you that it could become criminal, rather than civil. As for me, I wouldn’t expect everyone to believe everything just exactly like I do. That would be pretty bland. I expect debate on here. I’m seldom disappointed.

But, you are right. It should be civil. Even friendly. The rumor is that we should even love one another, and bear one another’s burdens. But nobody really believes all that stuff, do they?

With all due respect, my doctrine is not of men. I said there are no conditions of Rebellion you believe there is. You don’t believe Rebellion is self will, I do. You believe it’s ok to rebel against man, I don’t! I believe in authority, God or man, and when man gets out of the will of God, it’s not something to be taken lightly. David ran from Saul, he said “I will not touch the Lords anointed” , Paul said to obey them that have the rule over you. But anything I will mention will have “conditions” on it

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

With all due respect, my doctrine is not of men. I said there are no conditions of Rebellion you believe there is. You don’t believe Rebellion is self will, I do. You believe it’s ok to rebel against man, I don’t! I believe in authority, God or man, and when man gets out of the will of God, it’s not something to be taken lightly. David ran from Saul, he said “I will not touch the Lords anointed” , Paul said to obey them that have the rule over you. But anything I will mention will have “conditions” on it

You said this. . .

“When we follow our flesh it leads to rebellion, I was taught that by apostolic preachers. So, if your upset with me, go talk to D.C Moody, O.R Fauss, Wayne Bellew, I can give you a list to go on and on.”

I took this to be a list of men. Hence, I surmised that your doctrine was based on the doctrine of men, and not necessarily scripture. Men are fallible. Even if they are the pope. Or even if they are the apostolic equivalent of the pope. (General superintendent, district superintendent, pastor, etc..) I realize that you seem to be of the camp that ascribes great authority to the pastor. This is (in my opinion, of course) a man made doctrine (not based on scripture). If you have scripture to back it I would be interested to listen.

So, yes. We might should agree to disagree, in a civil manner.

God bless.

P.S. And I do like what you say about the way a man treats his wife and family is a reflection of his relationship with God, or vice versa.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

You said this. . .

“When we follow our flesh it leads to rebellion, I was taught that by apostolic preachers. So, if your upset with me, go talk to D.C Moody, O.R Fauss, Wayne Bellew, I can give you a list to go on and on.”

I took this to be a list of men. Hence, I surmised that your doctrine was based on the doctrine of men, and not necessarily scripture. Men are fallible. Even if they are the pope. Or even if they are the apostolic equivalent of the pope. (General superintendent, district superintendent, pastor, etc..) I realize that you seem to be of the camp that ascribes great authority to the pastor. This is (in my opinion, of course) a man made doctrine (not based on scripture). If you have scripture to back it I would be interested to listen.

So, yes. We might should agree to disagree, in a civil manner.

God bless.

P.S. And I do like what you say about the way a man treats his wife and family is a reflection of his relationship with God, or vice versa.

Authority is given by God, Jesus told that to Pilate. Do I esteem these men, No sir, are they perfect, No, yet, neither am I. With that said you understand you cant be saved without a Pastor! Men preached doctrine it doesn’t mean it doctrines of men. On the other hand without knowledge and discernment you can go off in the ditch on both sides of the road. Also, I’m not in the camp of “All power is in the Pastor” I don’t subscribe to that, if you only knew! I don’t belong to a pyramid (organization) and I believe there 3 ways to lead
1-King
2-Priest
3-Shepherd
I try to lead like a Shepard. Now, I do believe in authority and how that authority runs can be of God or of men.