Meanwhile in Virginia...

Esaias · #1 12-10-2019, 06:06 PM

Pooky · #2 12-11-2019, 06:09 AM

Meanwhile,theCulpeper mayor says he will deputize the residents if the gun law passes. I am from VA and don’t even recognize it anymore. I left 15 years ago.

Evang.Benincasa · #3 12-11-2019, 06:11 AM

My wife was born and raised in Arlington

Nicodemus1968 · #4 12-11-2019, 06:53 AM

If they want your guns give it to them.

Let me ask this question, If the government federal, state, or local demanded your guns what would you do with those guns?

I’m not trying to be funny or sarcastic, this may be something we will have to deal with. I know churches that bring guns to church, but then they go tell inmates at the jail or wherever Jesus is our protection.

Evang.Benincasa · #5 12-11-2019, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

If they want your guns give it to them.

Let me ask this question, If the government federal, state, or local demanded your guns what would you do with those guns?

I’m not trying to be funny or sarcastic, this may be something we will have to deal with. I know churches that bring guns to church, but then they go tell inmates at the jail or wherever Jesus is our protection.

You are talking about two different things here. One is using guns as protection at a church gathering. The other is having your property taken by force, whether it is horses, food, or your children. We have to keep the eye on the ball and not muddy the water, by lumping everything together. Or else intelligent people will just smile and walk off without any further discussion. The impeachment isn't about Andrew Johnson, or Donald Trump. It is about what is really happening as this is all being played out. Where does this all stop? Just guns being DEMANDED by a government? History shows us that it doesn't end with government taking personal tools of self defense. I personally believe that we don't need self defense tools in a church service. But do you happen to lock the doors of your house, cars, and church building? The tithe and offerings are they placed in a room with a lock? Box with a lock? How about police? Is it alright to use firepower as long as it is being wielded by an unbeliever? I'm just pointing out where all this tends to unravel.

Nicodemus1968 · #6 12-11-2019, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You are talking about two different things here. One is using guns as protection at a church gathering. The other is having your property taken by force, whether it is horses, food, or your children. We have to keep the eye on the ball and not muddy the water, by lumping everything together. Or else intelligent people will just smile and walk off without any further discussion. The impeachment isn't about Andrew Johnson, or Donald Trump. It is about what is really happening as this is all being played out. Where does this all stop? Just guns being DEMANDED by a government? History shows us that it doesn't end with government taking personal tools of self defense. I personally believe that we don't need self defense tools in a church service. But do you happen to lock the doors of your house, cars, and church building? The tithe and offerings are they placed in a room with a lock? Box with a lock? How about police? Is it alright to use firepower as long as it is being wielded by an unbeliever? I'm just pointing out where all this tends to unravel.

This is for us, within the church. Bro. Benincasa, I used Church as the main point, because if they bring the guns to church 90% of the time they take them everywhere. You want to protect your property that’s fine, and protect I mean locking you house, cars, Church etc I owned several German Shepherds (grew up with those dogs) and I had warning signs on my property. Your right government will not stop with just taking the guns, the discussion can be then where do we as the church stop? Would a believer take no thought by using deadly force against someone that tried to take or damage your property? I say this because I see believers CC (concealed carry) going into church, going to the stores my personal opinion is your asking for trouble. You want to hunt go ahead I’m a duck hunter, I have several guns, yet I don’t have a CCP, dont need one.

Tithesmeister · #7 12-13-2019, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

If they want your guns give it to them.

Let me ask this question, If the government federal, state, or local demanded your guns what would you do with those guns?

I’m not trying to be funny or sarcastic, this may be something we will have to deal with. I know churches that bring guns to church, but then they go tell inmates at the jail or wherever Jesus is our protection.

You do remember that time that Jesus told the disciples to buy a sword . . .
right???

diakonos · #8 12-13-2019, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

You do remember that time that Jesus told the disciples to buy a sword . . .
right???

Where do you read that they used one?

Nicodemus1968 · #9 12-14-2019, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

You do remember that time that Jesus told the disciples to buy a sword . . .
right???

I do remember. I’m not sure your point?

Luke 22:36
[36] Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

You’ll, have to explain your thoughts on what you believe this scripture is saying. Are you of the camp that says we need to have our guns ready to kill those that come against us. Guns bring a spirit upon a man if were not careful, they feel bigger and unstoppable with the gun by there side. I’m not against guns, like I said in a prior post, I’m a duck hunter, I enjoy hunting, but your not going to see me with a side arm walking around town, or with a gun in my pulpit either. People say Jesus is my protection, how can he be our protection if were already to take matters into our own hands. Like I said, I’m bringing another side to the argument, you can do what you feel to do. Yet, as the church we cannot do the “liberties” of this world and expect the Lord to help us.

Also with the scripture you brought up, lets not forget to make sure scripture interprets scripture...

Matthew 26:52
[52] Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Esaias · #10 12-11-2019, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pooky

Meanwhile,theCulpeper mayor says he will deputize the residents if the gun law passes. I am from VA and don’t even recognize it anymore. I left 15 years ago.

I believe 40 counties so far have passed Resolves (!) saying they will not comply. Either folks are writing the grandkids history books, or there may not be any history books (or grandkids to read them)...