Meanwhile in Virginia...

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by coksiw

It is a complicated topic brother. Taking somebody's life it is a serious subject. We better get it right with God because in a fight, if you are the one dying, it would be sad if you end up in hell for committing the last sin of your life.

The real question I think your trying to reach is; Is there a difference between killing and self defense?
From mans point of view there may be no difference, our emotions will allow us to believe we used self defense because... you fill in the blank. Yet, what does God think? Does he see self defense as the same as killing someone, think about it? The law was our school master that brought us to Christ, Paul told Romans I did not know what sin unless the law showed me. In the law, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, it showed by nature we want revenge. It showed us the physical nature of war, how they destroyed the enemy by blood. Yet, Jesus came to fulfill the law not to destroy it because it was the mind of God. Now, we understand Jesus told Pilate my kingdom is not of this world, Paul told the Roman church the kingdom of God is not meat, and drink but yet it’s peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. It’s not what you can see with your physical eye, but it’s what you can see in the spiritual. Your enemy is not the government that may one day take your guns, no sir the Bible says we wrestle NOT against flesh and blood but AGAINST spirits... there maybe none in this forum yet I know ministers and saints alike, that say “we need to arm ourselves against those that want to take away our 2nd amendment”, the Bible says “fear hath torment”, are you going to live in this place of “what if our church gets shot up?” A spirit will take advantage of that and next thing you know your arming yourself to defend. These people that shoot up churches, shopping centers, they’re driven by a spirit, you don’t fight a spirit with guns, you take authority over that spirit.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

The real question I think your trying to reach is; Is there a difference between killing and self defense?
From mans point of view there may be no difference, our emotions will allow us to believe we used self defense because... you fill in the blank. Yet, what does God think? Does he see self defense as the same as killing someone, think about it? The law was our school master that brought us to Christ, Paul told Romans I did not know what sin unless the law showed me. In the law, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, it showed by nature we want revenge. It showed us the physical nature of war, how they destroyed the enemy by blood. Yet, Jesus came to fulfill the law not to destroy it because it was the mind of God. Now, we understand Jesus told Pilate my kingdom is not of this world, Paul told the Roman church the kingdom of God is not meat, and drink but yet it’s peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. It’s not what you can see with your physical eye, but it’s what you can see in the spiritual. Your enemy is not the government that may one day take your guns, no sir the Bible says we wrestle NOT against flesh and blood but AGAINST spirits... there maybe none in this forum yet I know ministers and saints alike, that say “we need to arm ourselves against those that want to take away our 2nd amendment”, the Bible says “fear hath torment”, are you going to live in this place of “what if our church gets shot up?” A spirit will take advantage of that and next thing you know your arming yourself to defend. These people that shoot up churches, shopping centers, they’re driven by a spirit, you don’t fight a spirit with guns, you take authority over that spirit.

Brother Juan Carlos Marulanda's abuelita told me a story years ago about her and another church sister. it was back in the 50s when the Apostolic message was first being preached in Colombia. They were crossing a farmers field and the farmer let loose his young bulls to mow down the two sisters. As the bulls were running up the the one sister held up her Bible and shouted Jesus!!!! All the bulls stopped. Sister Mariella in our church family was shot point blank in the chest during a robbery. Before the boy fired the gun she shouted JESUS loves you. You see when the soldiers came to Jesus they asked Him what they should do? Jesus didn't tell them to put away their swords, and do violence to no man. Doing violence to no man, didn't mean that Jesus wanted them to not do their job. Which their job primary point was to fight. Jesus was telling them not to use their position to extort money from people by roughing them up. Threatening to kill them if they didn't meet their demands Luke 3:14. They way soiliders made their money in ancient times was to get plunder through pillage. Abraham plundered his enemies and gave the tithing of the loot gained to Melchizedek. Yet, Jesus isn't just speaking of plunder, but of violent leg breaking extortion. Jesus NEVER tells them to put away their weapons and quit being soldiers. We know this because He stresses that they should be satisfied with their low pay from the army.