Why Sunday

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Esaias

That "whatever reason" was the pro-Sunday anti-Sabbath position of the Church of Rome being enforced throughout catholicism until it was official Holy Tradition, then being continued by Protestants who sought to divorce it from Holy Tradition and Magisterium by concocting "Sabbath transference" theories interpreting the fourth commandment as applicable to Sunday, followed by evangelical Protestants and Pentecostals not wanting to go against the tide of both religious and secular tradition.

I agree some people do it for that reason. But it's not the only one. Multitudes of people believe like me that there is no more holy days and that the Lord arose Sunday, Jesus showed Thomas his wounds Sunday, Paul preached Sunday, and Paul collected offerings Sunday. Not a holy day, no better day than any other. But linked to spiritual events with a spiritual message of the first day -- new creation, not old creation's seventh day.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I agree some people do it for that reason. But it's not the only one. Multitudes of people believe like me that there is no more holy days and that the Lord arose Sunday, Jesus showed Thomas his wounds Sunday, Paul preached Sunday, and Paul collected offerings Sunday. Not a holy day, no better day than any other. But linked to spiritual events with a spiritual message of the first day -- new creation, not old creation's seventh day.

Without realising it, you are arguing for Sunday sacredness. Spiritual significance... that's why we gather every single Sunday to corporately worship God... Friend, that is the very essence of "holy day keeping".

As for new creation, the Sabbath is part of the new heavens and new earth (Isaiah 66:22-23).

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Without realising it, you are arguing for Sunday sacredness. Spiritual significance... that's why we gather every single Sunday to corporately worship God... Friend, that is the very essence of "holy day keeping".

As for new creation, the Sabbath is part of the new heavens and new earth (Isaiah 66:22-23).

We talked abut this before. God does not require me to go to church sabbath or Sunday. That's the bottom line.

Arguing about what you assume my belief leads to, or it's alleged logical conclusion that I don't engage in, is not actually dealing with what I believe.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mfblume

We talked abut this before. God does not require me to go to church sabbath or Sunday. That's the bottom line.

Arguing about what you assume my belief leads to, or it's alleged logical conclusion that I don't engage in, is not actually dealing with what I believe.

I am dealing with what you SAY. The logical conclusions to your arguments are what they are.

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Originally Posted by Esaias

I am dealing with what you SAY. The logical conclusions to your arguments are what they are.

No and it is not dealing with what I believe and what i say I believe. The logical conclusion is where I stand now, not something I do not stand in.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No and it is not dealing with what I believe and what i say I believe. The logical conclusion is where I stand now, not something I do not stand in.

Are trinitarians genuine monotheists?

My point is that some of your arguments necessarily lead to conclusions. Whether you adhere to your argumentation all the way to their logical end or not doesn't change what those arguments actually consist in.

Example: "We have church every Sunday because of spiritual reasons..." Conclusion? You keep Sunday as a holy day (a day separate and distinct from other days). You disagree with that conclusion, and I understand why. But the conclusion is there nonetheless. Holy means separate and dedicated to divine purposes. There you have it. Sundaykeeping isn't "whatever was required under the 4th commandment is now applied to Sunday" necessarily. It is at its most basic the regular observance of Sunday as a day devoted to religious practices, you do Sundays differently than you do the other days of the week.

Example: We're not under the law, it has been fulfilled, therefore we don't need to do the specific thing the law said to actually do. So pick any command, and this reasoning applies.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Are trinitarians genuine monotheists?

My point is that some of your arguments necessarily lead to conclusions. Whether you adhere to your argumentation all the way to their logical end or not doesn't change what those arguments actually consist in.

Example: "We have church every Sunday because of spiritual reasons..." Conclusion? You keep Sunday as a holy day (a day separate and distinct from other days). You disagree with that conclusion, and I understand why. But the conclusion is there nonetheless. Holy means separate and dedicated to divine purposes. There you have it. Sundaykeeping isn't "whatever was required under the 4th commandment is now applied to Sunday" necessarily. It is at its most basic the regular observance of Sunday as a day devoted to religious practices, you do Sundays differently than you do the other days of the week.

Example: We're not under the law, it has been fulfilled, therefore we don't need to do the specific thing the law said to actually do. So pick any command, and this reasoning applies.

Again, the logical conclusions to my view are the positions I am in now. I believe what I currently believe because of those scriptures I shared and my interoretation of them. They led me to where I am and what I'm doing. I'm not at the position that you claim is the logical conclusion. Why? Because they're not the logical conclusion.