Christmas Trees on Pentecostal platforms

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Just shave your beard and you can be up there with the Christmas trees .

or, you can find a way to fit in.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

or, you can find a way to fit in.

Excellent

[JamesGlen]

I have no interest at all in being on a Pentecostal platform. I am just trying to understand how it is, that an adorned tree that is called a Jesus tree(Christ tree or Jesus Christ’ death tree) is an acceptable practice to be fastened in an area of a church bldg that is considered by many as a holy place set aside for the worship of our God. Some believe it is like desecrating the temple or holy place set aside for God, Because it is claimed/preached as such(Gods house with the platform and alter area being the most “holy place” because that is where people commit/encounter/meet w God. Is that generally the way it is thought of across the board in Pentecost, “House of God set apart for worship to God, sanctuary being the most holy place, and the platform and alter area maybe being considered the holy of holies area? If not what is the breakdown? FTR I don’t see a church bldg that way, but I’m discussing it because many do.

So with that said, why are decorated and adorned trees called Jesus trees set up there?
In the OT food that was once offered to idols, was not allowed to be eaten by Gods people. Yet nowadays trees adorned and fastened upright and called by Jesus name above every name, are set up on display, and surely even gifts placed under them. That seems to desecrate/defile the Saviours name “Jesus” above all names, by calling an adorned tree by his name. He’s not a tree. He’s our Saviour, THE annointed One.
So my question is, what idoes an adorned tree called a Christ tree being set up for display have to do with our Saviour Jesus Christ, and why would it be set up on display in a special holy place dedicated unto worship of that Saviour alone?

Benincasa, I read the first sentence of your response post and stopped there. I will not read your responses. You are a rude smart alloc, lacking the fruit of the Spirit, and an embarrassment to the forum regarding Christian character, as has been pointed out time and time again by many other posters in the past. You don’t quite go far enough to get banned, because they don’t ban people for talking to others like they are trash. Again I ask, please abstain from posting on my threads, and I will gladly do the same for you.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by JamesGlen

Benincasa, I read the first sentence of your response post and stopped there.

Man up Jimmy. Before anything, we are men.

Originally Posted by JamesGlen

I will not read your responses.

Yes you will. Unless you use another forum feature called "ignore" which I suggest you use. Also make a request of all the four other posters of this forum to not quote anything where I refer to you.

Originally Posted by JamesGlen

You are a rude smart alloc,

alloc is usually short for allocation. So, I am a smart allocation? Ok.

RUDE?!?

Originally Posted by JamesGlen

lacking the fruit of the Spirit, and an embarrassment to the forum regarding Christian character, as has been pointed out time and time again by many other posters in the past. You don’t quite go far enough to get banned,

Go far enough to get banned? Jimbo, banning is predicated by filing a complaint against specific posts. You report the post, it is then up to the administration to 86 the offender. Everytime I get n a hair pulling contest with one off you lovely ladies it seems that focus is more on what they perceive me to be doing.

Originally Posted by JamesGlen

because they don’t ban people for talking to others like they are trash.

Because THEY? Jim, now your problem is with the admins? It is their fault? Listen, the admins are reading every single post on these threads. It would therefore be akin to having a second or third job. Maybe you should start a forum where everyone holds the same opinion and beliefs as you do. Anytime you get someone with a strong opposing view you can burn them at the stake and then ban them forever. Still you will find that this forum is basically self moderating and that the ignore feature is employed to remove those you believe to be haters.

Originally Posted by JamesGlen

Again I ask, please abstain from posting on my threads, and I will gladly do the same for you.

No. I suggest you use the ignore feature. You will find that to be way more effective. You will then be able to find the echos you most desperately need.

Originally Posted by JamesGlen

I have no interest at all in being on a Pentecostal platform.

You just have an interest to dictate to what is going on the platform. You see it is quite simple. Church buildings may have a stage area which is called a platform. Yet, it isn't used for our entertainment. It is used to rely ecclesiastical messages to those who are willing and wanting to hear those messages. Xmas tree, smooth faces, collared white shirts with black ties, and for the women long dresses with appropriate length sleeves. All dictated from the primary source, the people. Elders, and congregants. All in flowing agreement with one another. So, I really have no right to make a call on what they are doing. There is a huge Apostolic Jesus name church which has a amazingly large golden angel holding a trumpet. This item is a fixed smack dab in the middle of the platform. While I hold my own opinions on this image, it is of their choosing, because "they" really like it. From pastor to pew, they like what is going on there. If someone has a problem to the degree of disharmony with the group, they can easily leave. If they have a problem with the golden thing and want to stay with their beloved ministry and church family. Then they can but ponder these things in their heart, and do their best to be at peace with the church family.

Originally Posted by JamesGlen

I am just trying to understand

Do you not like short answers? The understanding is that the church family and ministers want it. That is the reason why we have more churches, denominations, schisms and religions then you can shake a stick at. Hence the reason, why people break off into groups, they gravitate to those of like precious agreement. That is all. So, my question to you would be can people still hear the gospel message and get baptized in Jesus name, receive the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues? With huge angels, on the platform? With giant Dagon bushes standing clear up to the cathedral ceiling? With lighted Catholic Nativity scene right above the baptismal tank? I know, I know, some would freeze in horror, but some sincere soul seeking God will get the Holy Ghost. Then the Lord (if the person is willing) will lead the sincere individual into all truth.

Originally Posted by JamesGlen

how it is, that an adorned tree that is called a Jesus tree(Christ tree or Jesus Christ’ death tree) is an acceptable practice to be fastened in an area of a church bldg that is considered by many as a holy place set aside for the worship of our God. Some believe it is like desecrating the temple or holy place set aside for God, Because it is claimed/preached as such(Gods house with the platform and alter area being the most “holy place” because that is where people commit/encounter/meet w God. Is that generally the way it is thought of across the board in Pentecost, “House of God set apart for worship to God, sanctuary being the most holy place, and the platform and alter area maybe being considered the holy of holies area? If not what is the breakdown? FTR I don’t see a church bldg that way, but I’m discussing it because many do.

Holy place? Temple? You are mixing ideas into the above paragraph. You are saying that there are some who believe the platform as a holy place, and therefore they are desecrating it with these Catholic symbols? Hypothetical situations really have many levels to consider. Yet, the short answer to be is that these people don't see it exactly as you or I may see it. Therefore according to our own convictions concerning these issues we can make a choice. If this forum teaches us anything it's that people will always gravitate to groups holding the same opinions.

Originally Posted by JamesGlen

So with that said, why are decorated and adorned trees called Jesus trees set up there?

Because the church family wants to have it up there.

Originally Posted by JamesGlen

In the OT food that was once offered to idols, was not allowed to be eaten by Gods people. Yet nowadays trees adorned and fastened upright and called by Jesus name above every name, are set up on display, and surely even gifts placed under them. That seems to desecrate/defile the Saviours name “Jesus” above all names, by calling an adorned tree by his name. He’s not a tree. He’s our Saviour, THE annointed One.
So my question is, what idoes an adorned tree called a Christ tree being set up for display have to do with our Saviour Jesus Christ, and why would it be set up on display in a special holy place dedicated unto worship of that Saviour alone?

I know the answer is too simple for you, but the Catholic/Lutheran symbols are there, because the church family wants it there. I know what I believe concerning the whole whoopdedoo on the Catholic Mass, but I have learned that me beating an ecclesiastical dead horse when the group is so HAPPY to do it. I just need to go my way, and be at peace that they made their decision. Maybe one day they may change, but that change won't come unless they are wanting it.

[LOVE JESUS]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Man up Jimmy. Before anything, we are men.




Yes you will. Unless you use another forum feature called "ignore" which I suggest you use. Also make a request of all the four other posters of this forum to not quote anything where I refer to you.



alloc is usually short for allocation. So, I am a smart allocation? Ok.

RUDE?!?





Go far enough to get banned? Jimbo, banning is predicated by filing a complaint against specific posts. You report the post, it is then up to the administration to 86 the offender. Everytime I get n a hair pulling contest with one off you lovely ladies it seems that focus is more on what they perceive me to be doing.




Because THEY? Jim, now your problem is with the admins? It is their fault? Listen, the admins are reading every single post on these threads. It would therefore be akin to having a second or third job. Maybe you should start a forum where everyone holds the same opinion and beliefs as you do. Anytime you get someone with a strong opposing view you can burn them at the stake and then ban them forever. Still you will find that this forum is basically self moderating and that the ignore feature is employed to remove those you believe to be haters.




No. I suggest you use the ignore feature. You will find that to be way more effective. You will then be able to find the echos you most desperately need.



You just have an interest to dictate to what is going on the platform. You see it is quite simple. Church buildings may have a stage area which is called a platform. Yet, it isn't used for our entertainment. It is used to rely ecclesiastical messages to those who are willing and wanting to hear those messages. Xmas tree, smooth faces, collared white shirts with black ties, and for the women long dresses with appropriate length sleeves. All dictated from the primary source, the people. Elders, and congregants. All in flowing agreement with one another. So, I really have no right to make a call on what they are doing. There is a huge Apostolic Jesus name church which has a amazingly large golden angel holding a trumpet. This item is a fixed smack dab in the middle of the platform. While I hold my own opinions on this image, it is of their choosing, because "they" really like it. From pastor to pew, they like what is going on there. If someone has a problem to the degree of disharmony with the group, they can easily leave. If they have a problem with the golden thing and want to stay with their beloved ministry and church family. Then they can but ponder these things in their heart, and do their best to be at peace with the church family.




Do you not like short answers? The understanding is that the church family and ministers want it. That is the reason why we have more churches, denominations, schisms and religions then you can shake a stick at. Hence the reason, why people break off into groups, they gravitate to those of like precious agreement. That is all. So, my question to you would be can people still hear the gospel message and get baptized in Jesus name, receive the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues? With huge angels, on the platform? With giant Dagon bushes standing clear up to the cathedral ceiling? With lighted Catholic Nativity scene right above the baptismal tank? I know, I know, some would freeze in horror, but some sincere soul seeking God will get the Holy Ghost. Then the Lord (if the person is willing) will lead the sincere individual into all truth.





Holy place? Temple? You are mixing ideas into the above paragraph. You are saying that there are some who believe the platform as a holy place, and therefore they are desecrating it with these Catholic symbols? Hypothetical situations really have many levels to consider. Yet, the short answer to be is that these people don't see it exactly as you or I may see it. Therefore according to our own convictions concerning these issues we can make a choice. If this forum teaches us anything it's that people will always gravitate to groups holding the same opinions.





Because the church family wants to have it up there.




I know the answer is too simple for you, but the Catholic/Lutheran symbols are there, because the church family wants it there. I know what I believe concerning the whole whoopdedoo on the Catholic Mass, but I have learned that me beating an ecclesiastical dead horse when the group is so HAPPY to do it. I just need to go my way, and be at peace that they made their decision. Maybe one day they may change, but that change won't come unless they are wanting it.

LOVE love LoVe - just a little bit of love. Love is a fruit of the Spirit. Just saying...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by LOVE JESUS

LOVE love LoVe - just a little bit of love. Love is a fruit of the Spirit. Just saying...

God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

[LOVE JESUS]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

VERY true but I was referring to the love among the posters.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

There is a huge Apostolic Jesus name church which has a amazingly large golden angel holding a trumpet. This item is a fixed smack dab in the middle of the platform.

EB, you keep referring to this angel. Are you serious?

Is this something you’ve seen?

Or did you only hear about it?

Where’s da angel of which you speak?

In an apostolic church? Scandalous!!

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by JamesGlen

I have no interest at all in being on a Pentecostal platform. I am just trying to understand how it is, that an adorned tree that is called a Jesus tree(Christ tree or Jesus Christ’ death tree) is an acceptable practice to be fastened in an area of a church bldg that is considered by many as a holy place set aside for the worship of our God. Some believe it is like desecrating the temple or holy place set aside for God, Because it is claimed/preached as such(Gods house with the platform and alter area being the most “holy place” because that is where people commit/encounter/meet w God. Is that generally the way it is thought of across the board in Pentecost, “House of God set apart for worship to God, sanctuary being the most holy place, and the platform and alter area maybe being considered the holy of holies area? If not what is the breakdown? FTR I don’t see a church bldg that way, but I’m discussing it because many do.

So with that said, why are decorated and adorned trees called Jesus trees set up there?
In the OT food that was once offered to idols, was not allowed to be eaten by Gods people. Yet nowadays trees adorned and fastened upright and called by Jesus name above every name, are set up on display, and surely even gifts placed under them. That seems to desecrate/defile the Saviours name “Jesus” above all names, by calling an adorned tree by his name. He’s not a tree. He’s our Saviour, THE annointed One.
So my question is, what idoes an adorned tree called a Christ tree being set up for display have to do with our Saviour Jesus Christ, and why would it be set up on display in a special holy place dedicated unto worship of that Saviour alone?

Benincasa, I read the first sentence of your response post and stopped there. I will not read your responses. You are a rude smart alloc, lacking the fruit of the Spirit, and an embarrassment to the forum regarding Christian character, as has been pointed out time and time again by many other posters in the past. You don’t quite go far enough to get banned, because they don’t ban people for talking to others like they are trash. Again I ask, please abstain from posting on my threads, and I will gladly do the same for you.

There are so many "idolatrous" practices within every.single.church.

The days of the week, the months of the year, all our holidays... everything our country is founded upon, could somehow be traced back to an idolatrous practice. It is almost impossible to root it out. Talk about the "high places". Yes, we've got them, everywhere.

I don't think you will find a single church anywhere that doesn't have some form or function in their midst that could be traced back to some idolatrous practice.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

There are so many "idolatrous" practices within every.single.church.

The days of the week, the months of the year, all our holidays... everything our country is founded upon, could somehow be traced back to an idolatrous practice. It is almost impossible to root it out. Talk about the "high places". Yes, we've got them, everywhere.

I don't think you will find a single church anywhere that doesn't have some form or function in their midst that could be traced back to some idolatrous practice.

Cheesy Corn Casserole?