Why Sunday

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

There are a couple of other things that I would like to draw attention to. One is the “if this, then that” aspect of the language in Exodus 19. God tells the Israelites that IF they will obey his voice, then He will be their God.

[5] Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

The if you do this I will do that, does not indicate that a contract or covenant has been entered yet. If there had been a covenant entered into already, then the proposal becomes law.

The covenant was clearly accepted in verse 8.

Exodus 19:8 (AV)
And all the people answered together, and said,
All that the Lord hath spoken we will do.
And Moses returned the words of the people unto the Lord.

[Steven Avery]

The 10 Commandments are included as an essential part of the old (first) and new covenants. You have omitted the pages where the inability to sever the 10 Commandments from the new covenant is covered.

The fallacy which is tripping you up is the fallacy of composition.

One part of the old covenant, the Mosaic ordinances, or law, agreed in the covenant of Exodus 19, may be seen as subject to waxing and decay. This however does not apply to the 10 Commandments, the royal law, which is eternal and immutable.

In fact, in Hebrews 8 it was the covenant that was agreed to without full purity and sincerity by the Israelites that was in decay. This verse does not address ordinances.

Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old.
Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

The 10 Commandments are included as an essential part of the old (first) and new covenants. You have omitted the pages where the inability to sever the 10 Commandments from the new covenant is covered.

The fallacy which is tripping you up is the fallacy of composition.

One part of the old covenant, the Mosaic ordinances, or law, agreed in the covenant of Exodus 19, may be seen as subject to waxing and decay. This however does not apply to the 10 Commandments, the royal law, which is eternal and immutable.

In fact, in Hebrews 8 it was the covenant that was agreed to without full purity and sincerity by the Israelites that was in decay. This verse does not address ordinances.

Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old.
Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The Royal law of loving your neighbour as yourselves is not the Ten Commandments, because Jesus said the 10 commandments hang from this law. In other words, it's separating and distinguishing The Ten Commandments from the Royal law... Saying that all the Commandments hang on that principle as well as living God. So it's above the Ten Commandments, and the Ten Commandments are based on it.

But if this author is saying that there's a law in Exodus 19 and its distinguished from the law in Exodus 20, and there's only that one in Exodus that Paul said was passing are fading away, that is absolutely incorrect. It reminds me of dispensationalists who say that the law of God is distinct and different from the law of Moses. And they say that Jeremiah 31 verse 31 is not the same new covenant that we now enjoy, as though there something for Israel and Judah that's not for the church, according to them. I know that's not what you're saying, but I'm saying there's a similarity because they're talking about two different new covenants with a dispensationalist, and now you're talking about two Old Covenant with Israel.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

The covenant was clearly accepted in verse 8.

Exodus 19:8 (AV)
And all the people answered together, and said,
All that the Lord hath spoken we will do.
And Moses returned the words of the people unto the Lord.

Brother Avery,

Allow me to quote some language that is very similar to this that you quote above. This passage is found in Exodus 24.

[6] And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar.
[7] And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient.
[8] And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.

I believe that this is the same covenant that is mentioned in chapter 19. It is consummated (or made legal, which would be comparable to us today signing a contract) in chapter 24.

Do you see where the other covenant was ever sprinkled in blood?

I do not. I don’t believe there are two covenants in Exodus. If there is another covenant, where are the terms? I don’t see any evidence of another covenant.

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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Brother Avery,

Allow me to quote some language that is very similar to this that you quote above. This passage is found in Exodus 24.

[6] And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar.
[7] And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient.
[8] And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.

I believe that this is the same covenant that is mentioned in chapter 19. It is consummated (or made legal, which would be comparable to us today signing a contract) in chapter 24.

Do you see where the other covenant was ever sprinkled in blood?

I do not. I don’t believe there are two covenants in Exodus. If there is another covenant, where are the terms? I don’t see any evidence of another covenant.

There were only two covenants as far as we are concerned, the old one with Moses and the new one with Jesus. Those two are the major ones. Abraham's covenant is considered part of the new and came into effect when Christ came.