Trojan Horse

consapente89 · #1 02-13-2020, 03:49 PM

I’ve never told a trinitarian they were not my brother, but I’d gladly correct any Apostolic who referred to trinitarians as their brethren.

Esaias · #2 02-13-2020, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by consapente89

I’ve never told a trinitarian they were not my brother, but I’d gladly correct any Apostolic who referred to trinitarians as their brethren.

But since "brother" has several different applications or layers of meaning, wouldn't it be wise to first ascertain in what context it is being used, first?

consapente89 · #3 02-13-2020, 07:04 PM

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But since "brother" has several different applications or layers of meaning, wouldn't it be wise to first ascertain in what context it is being used, first?

I get your point and I don’t disagree. I guess what I’m saying is that we are sending a message with our words. When we call a trinitarian “brother”, I am inferring that we are in the same boat moving in the same direction. I call you Brother, though we may disagree on various doctrinal points, I call Bro Benincasa “brother” though I am emphatic in my belief that Jesus is coming back. We’ve got the same foundation, the same entrance into the Kingdom. They haven’t even started the race yet. So what kind of message am I sending by calling them brother?!

Evang.Benincasa · #4 02-13-2020, 07:35 PM

I guess the Trinitarians down here in South Florida are lot more unfriendly than the ones elsewhere. I get called Jesus Only, they aren't too cool about it. Plus we have Ruckmanites down here who call us water dogs (because of Jesus name baptism).

Oh, one more thing that always french fries my potatoes, is the debate between Brother Bernard and that Trinitrain guy. At the end of the debate Brother Bernard wants to get all nicer than Jesus. He state that even though the godhead differences they have, they both were still brothers. When I first heard the debate, and the Trinitarian guys response to Brother Bernard, I totally understood the Trinitarian's response. Brother Bernard stepped on that rake in the garden, and caught the handle right in the teeth. When that joker said we are not brothers. Touché, Mr Trinitarian Apostolic Pentecostal hater. Trinitarians believe in three gods all day long. Three all working together as a unity. They love their titles baptism, and their Papa god and Jehovah Jr. I'm not talking about people who are clueless and aren't sold out to the three in one cartel, but those who are Bible toting, Bible quoting Trinitarians. They don't like us.

Esaias · #5 02-13-2020, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I guess the Trinitarians down here in South Florida are lot more unfriendly than the ones elsewhere. I get called Jesus Only, they aren't too cool about it. Plus we have Ruckmanites down here who call us water dogs (because of Jesus name baptism).

Oh, one more thing that always french fries my potatoes, is the debate between Brother Bernard and that Trinitrain guy. At the end of the debate Brother Bernard wants to get all nicer than Jesus. He state that even though the godhead differences they have, they both were still brothers. When I first heard the debate, and the Trinitarian guys response to Brother Bernard, I totally understood the Trinitarian's response. Brother Bernard stepped on that rake in the garden, and caught the handle right in the teeth. When that joker said we are not brothers. Touché, Mr Trinitarian Apostolic Pentecostal hater. Trinitarians believe in three gods all day long. Three all working together as a unity. They love their titles baptism, and their Papa god and Jehovah Jr. I'm not talking about people who are clueless and aren't sold out to the three in one cartel, but those who are Bible toting, Bible quoting Trinitarians. They don't like us.

Ehud · #6 02-14-2020, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I guess the Trinitarians down here in South Florida are lot more unfriendly than the ones elsewhere. I get called Jesus Only, they aren't too cool about it. Plus we have Ruckmanites down here who call us water dogs (because of Jesus name baptism).

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Three all working together as a unity. They love their titles baptism, and their Papa god and Jehovah Jr. I'm not talking about people who are clueless and aren't sold out to the three in one cartel, but those who are Bible toting, Bible quoting Trinitarians. They don't like us.

This must be why I have the disconnect on the topic. The last conversation I recall having with a "Trinitarian" was them giving me the talk about three in unity, etc and asking me why I didn't believe it. I explained my side, and the response was, "yeah, that's what I mean." So for the most part, I lump those I deal with into a group that is Trinitarian in name, but not at all in belief. From what I have seen in this thread, though, that is obviously not the norm, so I will gladly defer to you folks on this topic.

consapente89 · #7 02-14-2020, 02:54 PM

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This must be why I have the disconnect on the topic. The last conversation I recall having with a "Trinitarian" was them giving me the talk about three in unity, etc and asking me why I didn't believe it. I explained my side, and the response was, "yeah, that's what I mean." So for the most part, I lump those I deal with into a group that is Trinitarian in name, but not at all in belief. From what I have seen in this thread, though, that is obviously not the norm, so I will gladly defer to you folks on this topic.

Honestly, most “uneducated” trinitarians are oneness I’m their view of the Godhead. In my experience it’s only trinitarian clergy that will disagree with me on the oneness of God.

Ehud · #8 02-14-2020, 03:09 PM

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Honestly, most “uneducated” trinitarians are oneness I’m their view of the Godhead. In my experience it’s only trinitarian clergy that will disagree with me on the oneness of God.

What you have described very much aligns with my experiences as well.

Esaias · #9 02-14-2020, 04:12 PM

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Honestly, most “uneducated” trinitarians are oneness I’m their view of the Godhead. In my experience it’s only trinitarian clergy that will disagree with me on the oneness of God.

This is true. Although I had a Baptist tell me "Come on, Jesus isn't God! He's God's son!"

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Esaias · #10 02-13-2020, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by consapente89

I get your point and I don’t disagree. I guess what I’m saying is that we are sending a message with our words. When we call a trinitarian “brother”, I am inferring that we are in the same boat moving in the same direction. I call you Brother, though we may disagree on various doctrinal points, I call Bro Benincasa “brother” though I am emphatic in my belief that Jesus is coming back. We’ve got the same foundation, the same entrance into the Kingdom. They haven’t even started the race yet. So what kind of message am I sending by calling them brother?!

I agree with you on this 100%.

In a discussion with a trinitarian on the godhead or salvation, if they were to ask me "Am I your brother?" I'd just reply "As soon as you repent of your polytheism and get saved the Bible way."