Why did we lock down to begin with?

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I agree so far.



Unless there's a preliminary reason to believe it may have been poisonous ingestion or something else that requires an autopsy then why would they do an autopsy?

If someone has tested positive for the virus and died in a manner consistent with the virus while no evidence exists that it was something other than the virus then it should be marked as covid-19 with no autopsy needed. That's the consistent handling for every other type of death.

Instead what you are advocating for is a bunch of criteria that are either very difficult to impossible to implement (autopsy every death) and/or that will not be consistent between covid-19 deaths and other deaths (other deaths from diseases don't get automatic autopsy confirmation). The issue is that both of these stances will result in covid-19 deaths that will be lower in comparison to other diseases than the proper statistics would otherwise show.

The only way your stance makes sense is if you've already accepted the conspiracy theory that covid-19 deaths are being artificially inflated on a mass scale that will be significant enough to matter. (Consider this: For example a 10% inflation for whatever reason really doesn't change anything. a 90% inflation would move the needle. But even a 50% inflation isn't really going to change the overall story.) Also, as soon as one abandons the premise of vastly overinflated covid-19 death counts for conspiracy reasons then it's pretty obvious that what they are doing is a good way of getting the numbers - even if it's not 100% perfect (nothing ever is).

Here's an article worth checking out:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cdc-test-...141242313.html

Local and state officials have apparently conflated nCOVID19 diagnostic test results with serology test result numbers and sent them off to the CDC and epidemiologists are just finding this out. Nice.

[Esaias]

Washington officials admit to counting gunshot victims as COVID-19 deaths

https://disrn.com/news/washington-of...ovid-19-deaths

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Washington officials admit to counting gunshot victims as COVID-19 deaths

https://disrn.com/news/washington-of...ovid-19-deaths

So they admit this:

"We currently do have some deaths that are being reported that are clearly from other causes. We have about 5 deaths less than 5 deaths that we know of that are related to obvious other causes. In this case, they are from gunshot wounds," said Dr. Katie Hutchison, Health Statistics Manager for the Washington State Department of Health.

And they admit this:

The state is currently reviewing between 20 and 30 similar cases to understand what role — if any — coronavirus played in the deaths, Hutchison said, adding the process will take between six and 12 months

And they even admit this:

The state is currently counting anyone that dies with COVID-19 in its death toll.

And yet they still have the audacity to claim this:

"We suspect that we are actually more likely to be undercounting deaths than overcounting them," Hutchison said.

Unbelievable.

[Jito463]

Picture this:
During the lull of a pandemic, sweeping the globe and killing 100's of thousands of people worldwide, a large group of people decide to get together - with no social distancing, no masks and no quarantines - and hold a party. They're playing music, drinking and just generally enjoying themselves, with barely any room to move because there's so many of them bunched up together.

And what's worse, this is all an entirely true story.

Is this a right wing rally in defiance of lockdowns? No, it's Woodstock during the 1969 Honk Kong Flu (H3N2) pandemic, that killed over 100,000 Americans and more than 1 million worldwide.

Funny how we didn't lockdown then, despite the severity of the disease. In fact, in many ways it almost directly mirrors what's transpiring today, only with less government intrusion into our lives. But let's all don our masks and keep away from one another.

You know, for safety.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Americans.html

[Jito463]

A Nobel laureate from Stanford, has come out against the lockdowns, stating that they were a complete waste of time and caused more issues (and deaths) than they solved.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-laureate.html

Michael Levitt, a Stanford University professor who correctly predicted the initial scale of the pandemic, suggested the decision to keep people indoors was motivated by 'panic' rather than the best science.

Professor Levitt also said the modelling that caused the government to bring in the lockdown - carried out by Professor Neil Ferguson - over-estimated the death toll by '10 or 12 times'.

His claims echo those in a JP Morgan report that said lockdowns failed to alter the course of the pandemic but have instead 'destroyed millions of livelihoods'.

[Esaias]

Haha! April fool's! It was all a big "oopsie"!

"The CDC estimates the death rate from COVID-19 for those under 50 is 1 in 5,000 for those with symptoms, which would be 1 in 6,725 overall, but again, almost all those who die have specific comorbidities or underlying conditions. Those without them are more likely to die in a car accident. And schoolchildren, whose lives, mental health, and education we are destroying, are more likely to get struck by lightning."

https://www.conservativereview.com/n...th-rate-media/

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by Jito463

No, it's Woodstock during the 1969 Honk Kong Flu (H3N2) pandemic

Healthy young people were barely affected, at least not to the leave of mortality, even less likely if given good, robust, non-hospital treatment. Personally, I never heard of one person who died from the Hong Kong Flu.

The same is largely true today. There are many more weakened and immunocompromised individuals today, due to the massive vaccination programs. (And junk, sugar-foods.)