It will take force of arms to remain free.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Almost every morning myself and the brothers all eat breakfast together. We have discussed what you propose numerous times. Some of these brothers are ex military, and in law enforcement. What conclusions were drawn are found all in this video, "Waco rules of engagement." The take away from this documentary isn't just how the FBI used the Branch Davidians' doomsday eschatology against them. But, no matter how much of an Alamo mindset we may have, the government will make sure it's our Waterloo.

Why can't Joe Q Public have fully automatic weapons? Stockpile arms, and ammo to make a small armory? Because the government doesn't like the competition. But, let's look at another thing, North Korean Brainwashing. I bring this up to give an example. What the North Koreans would do is watch the POWs. Groups of men huddled together. It wasn't the huddled groups they were focused on. But the ones who were doing all the talking. They would look for the one who talked the most. He would then "disappear" Only to be replaced by another talker. He too would "disappear." Pretty soon, the men would understand what was going on. Give up-itis would then set in. Making for a very complacent group of inmates. We have thousands of years of how to intimidate the masses. Hence, we have Ruby Ridge, nursing mother gets her head blown off. Waco Texas, the Branch Davidian compound and a bunch of women, and small children burned alive. Not to mention three buildings in Manhattan falling into their own footprint within minutes of explosions.

I said all that to say this, you think they are staying up at night? Thinking about you, and others armed with lock n load? My father was a die hard prepper before prepping was cool. My mom was an anti-prepper. Which means my mother explained to her son, what happens when you board yourself up in a basement, then shoot out from the basement windows. She said, they will take a bulldozer and bury your father in the basement. Yep, he might shoot one, but later, we will be putting flowers on top of the rubble of the house.

I mean, just look at yourself, look around you. Wife, children, nice place to live, cars, refrigerator filled with food. Running water, nice cozy bed, cell phone, lap top, all the comforts of the State. All can be gone within minutes.
Every single word we ever typed on the internet, texted to our loved ones, friends, and foes. All brought up the day we pop up a red flag. Why? Because we talk too much. They don't like talkers, they hate doers, but talkers can easily become doers with the right amount of motivation. Plus talkers can motivate others to be doers. Sometimes the talker disappears? You see the guys who shoot back, only shoot until they get shot. In a revolution or peasant uprising there are no medics. You stay where you fall, if you bleed out, it might be a good thing. If you don't, who knows what await you during the skirmish.

I was talking with one of the brothers who is a sheriff deputy. We were talking about how most people's idea of an uprising was taught to them via MGM. Not history books, or real life experiences. If we take up arms we must count the cost, and consider the loss. No cameras will be running, no script will be followed. You might not even get to pop off one round. You might take one right between the eyes. Or have a helicopter fire its minigun right into your location. The revolution will not be televised. The media will make up some story about you and the blokes who were anti government fighting with you. They might even show some of your posts and tweets "selectively" but you get the idea. We can all sit around over bacon and eggs talking about all the scenarios. How we are all faithful followers of Brother John Birch, and that no one will get our guns. Unless they pry them out of our cold dead hands. Well, we might get what we wished for. We live in a world were our police force dresses paramilitary, and train like they are going to war. For any reason they deem fit, they can knock on your door in the wee hours of the morning. Tell you that they had a report of a domestic dispute. That neighbors hear arguing from your home. they will put a foot in your door. They then will ask you to allow them to check by just bringing all family members to the front door. They will not allow you to close the front door. Next thing you know, you have a crowd of armored police in your foyer. All armed, all hot and ready to roll. Take force of arms? My dear brother, I pray that we make it through this life with as little problems as possible. It's easy to stand up and scream storm the Bastille or Death to the Cylons!!! But when they unleash the dogs of war against the population, after the tear gas clears, God only knows what is next.

Please tell all of this to the unarmed citizens that brought the USSR to its knees.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Please tell all of this to the unarmed citizens that brought the USSR to its knees.

The unarmed citizens did not bring the USSR to its knees.

Apparently you do not understand what Glasnost and perestroika are/were all about.

But let's do tell that to the unarmed citizens of Czechoslovakia in 1968. Or Hungary 1957. Or the WW1 vets in 1932 Washington DC, USA.

Originalist, I understand where you're coming from. I'm just saying things aren't what they seem. There's a narrative being formed specifically for each side of a brewing conflict. It's being formed by an interest group that has plenty of experience playing this game and profiting off created conflicts. It would be a shame if you fell for playing a bit part in someone else's drama production.

The MAGA crowd doesn't have God on their side like they think they do. Anymore than the average conservative Protestant hard working family men did in 1932 Germany. "Winning" isn't always a win.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The unarmed citizens did not bring the USSR to its knees.

Apparently you do not understand what Glasnost and perestroika are/were all about.

But let's do tell that to the unarmed citizens of Czechoslovakia in 1968. Or Hungary 1957. Or the WW1 vets in 1932 Washington DC, USA.

Originalist, I understand where you're coming from. I'm just saying things aren't what they seem. There's a narrative being formed specifically for each side of a brewing conflict. It's being formed by an interest group that has plenty of experience playing this game and profiting off created conflicts. It would be a shame if you fell for playing a bit part in someone else's drama production.

The MAGA crowd doesn't have God on their side like they think they do. Anymore than the average conservative Protestant hard working family men did in 1932 Germany. "Winning" isn't always a win.

[Evang.Benincasa]

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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Please tell all of this to the unarmed citizens that brought the USSR to its knees.

What are you talking about? We aren't living in the late 80s and early 90s? 23 years the United States has changed drastically. David Aikman's book "When the Almond Tree Blossoms" in 1993 painted a picture of conservative capitalists against liberal socialists in a civil war in the United States. Where the United States is sectioned off with the two groups locked in a battle of force of arms to gain control. Remain free? You think Russians are free? Honestly I didn't know you had such knowledge of freedom in Russia? Are we more or less free than Russians are? My brother, I just don't think you really thought it all through. How It will take force of arms to remain free? Militias in different states making a coalition to fight the Federal Government? Meanwhile what will you do for money? How will you feed your family? Or should I say how will you protect your family?

Vladimir Putin said this concerning Greta Thunberg "No one has explained to Greta that the modern world is complex and different." Greta Thunberg is 16 years old, so naturally her world view is that of a child. But politically and economically she has not the foggiest idea where to begin or where to end. I find that when we have these discussions some people see themselves as Captain America leading the Avengers while waving the American flag wrapped in a Cross. The Constitution being prayed as a Psalmist's hymnal. My dear good brother, it's not that easy. If we lock and load to have regime change through rivers of blood, if the foundations of law and order have collapsed. What can the righteous do? Do you really believe that when the smoke clears you will still have the same constitution? The same Bill of Rights? Let's really get heart attack serious. What if you all lose? What if you don't stand as a the victor? Like Brother Esaias has said, you might have Jesus on your lips, and in your soul. But the rest of your compadres might have a totally different agenda that doesn't have Jesus in the equation.
Southerners who were defending their 10th Amendment rights all believed God was on their side. Matter of fact, both sides believed they were praying to God who were on their own respective sides. But, when the smoke cleared the South was finished, her freedoms were different. Let's run all the way to today. We aren't in the 1800s, or the 1990s, we are in 2020 hair's breath away from 21. Everything looks good on paper, or discussed over catfish at Cracker Barrell. But when we do this all in real time, and without the pillar of fire leading us? We end up deep in it. With everyone looking at you, and asking? What about the unarmed people of the USSR? All while everything is burning around them. But the unarmed people in the USSR didn't take a force of arms to change the USSR. It was economics that brought the USSR to its knees.