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Old 06-18-2007, 08:18 AM
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Interesting Trinitarian Statement - trithestic?

I was going through some files today, cleaning out my desk and happened upon this article from Robert M. Bowman Jr. Many of you are probably familiar with him as he is/was part of the CRI, that I think Walter Martin was a part of. As I perused the article, I read the statement below. The article is an outline of "The Biblical Basis of the Doctrine of the Trinity."




"Over 7000 times God speaks or is spoken of with singular pronouns (I, He, etc.); but this is proper because God is a single individual being; thus these singular forms do not disprove that God exists as three "persons" as long as these persons are NOT separate beings."




I know that many trinitarians are confused, but I thought that this was a very interesting statement.
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Old 06-18-2007, 08:22 AM
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I was going through some files today, cleaning out my desk and happened upon this article from Robert M. Bowman Jr. Many of you are probably familiar with him as he is/was part of the CRI, that I think Walter Martin was a part of. As I perused the article, I read the statement below. The article is an outline of "The Biblical Basis of the Doctrine of the Trinity."




"Over 7000 times God speaks or is spoken of with singular pronouns (I, He, etc.); but this is proper because God is a single individual being; thus these singular forms do not disprove that God exists as three "persons" as long as these persons are NOT separate beings."




I know that many trinitarians are confused, but I thought that this was a very interesting statement.
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I was going through some files today, cleaning out my desk and happened upon this article from Robert M. Bowman Jr. Many of you are probably familiar with him as he is/was part of the CRI, that I think Walter Martin was a part of. As I perused the article, I read the statement below. The article is an outline of "The Biblical Basis of the Doctrine of the Trinity."




"Over 7000 times God speaks or is spoken of with singular pronouns (I, He, etc.); but this is proper because God is a single individual being; thus these singular forms do not disprove that God exists as three "persons" as long as these persons are NOT separate beings."




I know that many trinitarians are confused, but I thought that this was a very interesting statement.
When we try explain the Godhead to a monotheistic Jew or Muslim ... whether we use the word MANIFESTATION OR PERSON ... both Trinitarians and Oneness Christians sound like they are dividing God.

The Jew or Muslim has no tolerance for these type of nuances ...

We keep on playing this game of semantics .... and it makes us feel so proud that we UNDERSTAND it ALL .... yet, its simple, both believe in ONE GOD ... there has never been any debate about this point.
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Old 06-18-2007, 08:54 AM
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I was going through some files today, cleaning out my desk and happened upon this article from Robert M. Bowman Jr. Many of you are probably familiar with him as he is/was part of the CRI, that I think Walter Martin was a part of. As I perused the article, I read the statement below. The article is an outline of "The Biblical Basis of the Doctrine of the Trinity."




"Over 7000 times God speaks or is spoken of with singular pronouns (I, He, etc.); but this is proper because God is a single individual being; thus these singular forms do not disprove that God exists as three "persons" as long as these persons are NOT separate beings/
Trinitarians will say a 'nature' cannot pray or talk, only 'persons' can. I've asked them if this is the case then who said "Let there be light" or who was the one who spoke the 10 commandments from Mount Sinai to the Israelites in the wilderness. They say, God spoke. Then I'll ask if God can speak as a collective of the persons. They skirt around this and usually don't answer it.

None of them have explained to me how God can say "I AM" as one being unless it is the collective voice of the persons of the Trinity speaking as one. And if that was the case then 'WE ARE' would be the more appropriate wording. They are masters at equivocating the word, God.
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When we try explain the Godhead to a monotheistic Jew or Muslim ... whether we use the word MANIFESTATION OR PERSON ... both Trinitarians and Oneness Christians sound like they are dividing God.

The Jew or Muslim has no tolerance for these type of nuances ...

We keep on playing this game of semantics .... and it makes us feel so proud that we UNDERSTAND it ALL .... yet, its simple, both believe in ONE GOD ... there has never been any debate about this point.
Daniel,

If we both believe there is only one God, who would a Trinitarian say came in the flesh?
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If we both believe this is only one God, who came in the flesh?
God did ... both believe this also ....
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God did ... both believe this also ....
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