Interesting Trinitarian Statement - trithestic?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

It should not matter. I know people that are oneness, but pray to the heavenly father. But they pray for people in Jesus name.

I'm not sure what your point is. Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I pray to God calling on the name of Jesus or calling Him, Jesus.

On your second point...I agree here with you. I had a very indepth discussion with a baptist pastors wife about the oneness view and receiving the HG. She did not understand the need for the tongues, but on the oneness view she said that they all believe it that way. I think that our misunderstanding of the "trinitarian" belief is charge by what alot of our misunderstanding preachers preach. The only leg the misunderstanding preachers have to stand on is that alot of "trinitarians" do not think the name for God is Jesus. Our beliefs are not as different as some here on AFF try to make it seem. Saying that the "trinitarians" serve another Jesus, etc. that is all craziness made up by a miseducated oneness believer.

The big deal is with Trinitarians who say Jesus is the second person in the Godhead. There is a huge difference in saying Jesus a second person of God or God himself. Many Trinitarians think we as Oneness believers serve another Jesus and that we are lost because of it. They say we deny the Son of God, meaning the eternal Son of God. If God is one being who can say 'I AM' and does not consist of three persons, don't you think He might care that his children know this truth about him?

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I'm not sure what your point is. Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I pray to God calling on the name of Jesus or calling Him, Jesus.

I pray the same way you do. But I know some people that are in the oneness church that when they pray they do not say JESUS they pray and say "dear Heavenly Father....etc.

Originally Posted by mizpeh

The big deal is with Trinitarians who say Jesus is the second person in the Godhead. There is a huge difference in saying Jesus a second person of God or God himself. Many Trinitarians think we as Oneness believers serve another Jesus and that we are lost because of it. They say we deny the Son of God, meaning the eternal Son of God. If God is one being who can say 'I AM' and does not consist of three persons, don't you think He might care that his children know this truth about him?

Well the truth is the reason most of the Trinnies say Jesus is the second in the Godhead is because as far as the struture or arrival in the Bible Jesus was the second manifestation of God. The do not see the name of God as being Jesus. They see the name of God being "God." Well the truth is that we both worship the same Jesus though we worship Him as God they worship Him as an attribute of God.

The word Trinity is a bad example to describe the Godhead, but that is how most people believe it. I hate to say it but it if you know that the name of God is Jesus then the intended meaing of the Trinity structure is simple to see. God is one, Jesus is one with the Father, and the HG is the Spirit of God.

It is like saying you have a pecan pie and you cut it into quarters and give them away. Each slice is still pecan pie. even though it was separated from the one unit. Because if took random pieces of pecan and tried to piece them together they would not fit right. Only until you take the exact pieces and fit them together do see the whole pie. Make since?

[H2H]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Well the truth is the reason most of the Trinnies say Jesus is the second in the Godhead is because as far as the struture or arrival in the Bible Jesus was the second manifestation of God. The do not see the name of God as being Jesus. They see the name of God being "God." Well the truth is that we both worship the same Jesus though we worship Him as God they worship Him as an attribute of God.

Please provide a source for Trinitarians believing Jesus is simply an attibute of God, instead of God himself.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I'm not sure what your point is. Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I pray to God calling on the name of Jesus or calling Him, Jesus.

The big deal is with Trinitarians who say Jesus is the second person in the Godhead. There is a huge difference in saying Jesus a second person of God or God himself. Many Trinitarians think we as Oneness believers serve another Jesus and that we are lost because of it. They say we deny the Son of God, meaning the eternal Son of God. If God is one being who can say 'I AM' and does not consist of three persons, don't you think He might care that his children know this truth about him?

Mizpeh, it is perfectly fine for trinitarians to say we OPs serve another jesus because we are legalistic dogmattics who force people into a salvation by works faith.

however, our enlightened hybred brothers here who do believe in One God but do not believe you are lost if you have some other view are saved by our standard, and get to be saved by the trinitarian standard. it helps their self esteeme.