Is Jesus Christ The Man Jesus Christ Now ?

Originally Posted by mfblume

Yes.

The MAN Chirst Jesus IS, present tense, mediator.

He is a man just as we will be in our glorified states. We shall be like Him as He presently is.

Bro. Blume,

Do you not believe that His mediation is in the perpetuity of the work of the cross rather than in some actual present tense mediation going on between the flesh and the Spirit of God?

I do not believe for one second that the man Christ Jesus is running around glory interceding for me. I think his intercession was accomplished at the Cross and He is now God Almighty my redeemer and savior.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by philjones

Bro. Blume,

Do you not believe that His mediation is in the perpetuity of the work of the cross rather than in some actual present tense mediation going on between the flesh and the Spirit of God?

No I do not. I say this because we distinctly reasd he ever liveth TO MAKE INTERCESSION for the saints. It does not say He ever liveth AFTER HE MADE intercession.

I believe He actually sits there as mediator right now and until all enemies are under his feet, when death is destroyed. The aspect of sitting til all enemies are under his feet was a present day reality to Paul, while Paul was saved long after the cross.

Heb 7:24-27 KJV But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. (25) Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. (26) For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; (27) Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

HE HAS an uncheangeable preisthood, NOT HAD as if it was past tense.

Although the cross occurred once and for all, He continues to intercede as high priest. Since intercession is mentioned explicitly as something occuring due to His ever living state, contrasted with the old testament priests who died and ended their ministries, I see a continuing intercession and priesthood.

I also believe He is STILL FULLY MAN AND FULLY GOD. Simply because He has glorified flesh, does not mean he is not still fully man. He is simply fully man as God created man to be... without death, as we shall be.

I do not believe for one second that the man Christ Jesus is running around glory interceding for me.

Well, we have to disagree here too. He is seated (not running around - ) making intercession for me! Present tense.

I think his intercession was accomplished at the Cross and He is now God Almighty my redeemer and savior.

I disagree his intercession was finished at the cross. He BEGAN intercession as PRIEST AFTER the cross. He is STILL making intercession. Otherwise we would not read "He ever liveth TO MAKE INTERCESSION for us". The point of Hebrews is to teach that He does not exchange positions with anotehr as in the days of old. He continues always. He is PRIEST UPON HIS THRONE.

He never even entered the most holy place TIL AFTER THE CROSS when He presented His blood. How could he be high priest while ON the cross?

He is God almighty and redeemer and saviour, BUT ALSO HIGH PRIEST Still.

Zec 6:13 KJV Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

If He sat on the throne after His priesthood was done, we would not read HE IS "PRIEST UPON HIS THRONE".

Notice the COUNSEL OF HIS PEACE SHALL BE BETWEEN THEM BOTH. Mediator!

[H2H]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No I do not. I say this because we distinctly reasd he ever liveth TO MAKE INTERCESSION for the saints. It does not say He ever liveth AFTER HE MADE intercession.

I believe He actually sits there as mediator right now and until all enemies are under his feet, when death is destroyed. The aspect of sitting til all enemies are under his feet was a present day reality to Paul, while Paul was saved long after the cross.



HE HAS an uncheangeable preisthood, NOT HAD as if it was past tense.

Although the cross occurred once and for all, He continues to intercede as high priest. Since intercession is mentioned explicitly as something occuring due to His ever living state, contrasted with the old testament priests who died and ended their ministries, I see a continuing intercession and priesthood.

I also believe He is STILL FULLY MAN AND FULLY GOD. Simply because He has glorified flesh, does not mean he is not still fully man. He is simply fully man as God created man to be... without death, as we shall be.



Well, we have to disagree here too. He is seated making intercession for me! Present tense.



I disagree his intercession was finished at the cross. He BEGAN intercession as PRIEST AFTER the cross. He is STILL making intercession. Otherwise we would not read "He ever liveth TO MAKE INTERCESSION for us". The point of Hebrews is to teach that He does not exchange positions with anotehr as in the days of old. He continues always. He is PRIEST UPON HIS THRONE.

He is God almighty and redeemer and saviour, BUT ALSO HIGH PRIEST Still.



If He sat on the throne after His priesthood was done, we would not read HE IS "PRIEST UPON HIS THRONE".

Notice the COUNSEL OF HIS PEACE SHALL BE BETWEEN THEM BOTH. Mediator!

Brother Blume, Even though you have left the faith I appreciate your work and studious endevors. God bless You.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No I do not. I say this because we distinctly reasd he ever liveth TO MAKE INTERCESSION for the saints. It does not say He ever liveth AFTER HE MADE intercession.

I believe He actually sits there as mediator right now and until all enemies are under his feet, when death is destroyed. The aspect of sitting til all enemies are under his feet was a present day reality to Paul, while Paul was saved long after the cross.



HE HAS an uncheangeable preisthood, NOT HAD as if it was past tense.

Although the cross occurred once and for all, He continues to intercede as high priest. Since intercession is mentioned explicitly as something occuring due to His ever living state, contrasted with the old testament priests who died and ended their ministries, I see a continuing intercession and priesthood.

I also believe He is STILL FULLY MAN AND FULLY GOD. Simply because He has glorified flesh, does not mean he is not still fully man. He is simply fully man as God created man to be... without death, as we shall be.



Well, we have to disagree here too. He is seated (not running around - ) making intercession for me! Present tense.



I disagree his intercession was finished at the cross. He BEGAN intercession as PRIEST AFTER the cross. He is STILL making intercession. Otherwise we would not read "He ever liveth TO MAKE INTERCESSION for us". The point of Hebrews is to teach that He does not exchange positions with anotehr as in the days of old. He continues always. He is PRIEST UPON HIS THRONE.

He never even entered the most holy place TIL AFTER THE CROSS when He presented His blood. How could he be high priest while ON the cross?

He is God almighty and redeemer and saviour, BUT ALSO HIGH PRIEST Still.



If He sat on the throne after His priesthood was done, we would not read HE IS "PRIEST UPON HIS THRONE".

Notice the COUNSEL OF HIS PEACE SHALL BE BETWEEN THEM BOTH. Mediator!

Call the law we totally agree.

[Steve Epley]

Elder Blume on this subject we do agree.

At Calvary he was the sacrifice he resurrected to become the High Priest.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Elder Blume on this subject we do agree.

At Calvary he was the sacrifice he resurrected to become the High Priest.

Bro., I think we agree on REALLY MAJOR issues, you know.

[Steve Epley]

Bishop S. C. Johnson taught there is NO Son of God Now he had a pamphlet on it.
Some in the area I was raised in believed this. However the Bible clearly says He is the most certainly the Son now and as Son He is our Great High Priest.
The late R.C. Cavaness used to say we need a High Priest in the Church as bad as we needed a Saviour in the world. I believe it.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Bishop S. C. Johnson taught there is NO Son of God Now he had a pamphlet on it.
Some in the area I was raised in believed this. However the Bible clearly says He is the most certainly the Son now and as Son He is our Great High Priest.
The late R.C. Cavaness used to say we need a High Priest in the Church as bad as we needed a Saviour in the world. I believe it.

Amen. Hebrews clearly teaches this, but Hebrews is heavy meat, so not much studied.

The work on the cross was for salvation, similar to Moses' work in getting Israel out of Egypt. But the work presently occurring in heaven by Christ as High Priest is far beyond that, and similar to JOSHUA to GET US INTO THE MOST HOLY PLACE, spiritually speaking, where we overcome things in life. Most are satisfied with being out of Egypt. And they never overcome much. But the priesthood occurring NOW is intercession intended to see us overcome.