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Originally Posted by votivesoul
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Detail the accusations so I can provide a defence. That is the American way the mostly-Christian founders used to build the USA.
More grandstanding and moral posturing,
Of course it's moral posturing. You and Dom go to lengths to portray me a reprobate. Should I play the door mat while you wipe your feet on me? I'm a city set on the hill shining the light I've received. You put the bushel basket on the light to extinguish the light, but do not take the time to show how what I say is light, isn't. The methods used aren't scriptural and you want me to crawl away without standing up as light-bearers should? appealing to the founding of the United States of America, as if you’re some USA patriot giving his life in the Revolutionary War. Come off it, already.
You must have learned that trick from Dom. Accuse, accuse, accuse, to distract from answering the allegation. This does not a Bible discussion make. This has to be a joke. But fine, you want an example?
Here’s one: I accused you of eisogesis in your IV thread, by inserting the word “instinct” into the passage where the word is not present. Your defense was that it’s implied, and you know it belongs because of a revelation from Jesus Christ Himself.
Nothing you have said disproves the claim. Would you like some pointers on how to do it right?
Don’t you see, Don. Once you appeal to Christ Himself as proof of the rightness of your beliefs, the argument is over.
Unless it is true. Truth abides forever whether it is received or not. You do realise that Apostolics are often known to say, 'the Lord showed me'. By this they mean what they say and perceive it as is true because the Lord helped them discern this. If Apostolics can't or shouldn't hear from God, to share it, then what hope does the world have? Do you even read the Bible to believe it? Listen to what your words mean.
But you are right. Whether people actually hear from God is debatable, even while they claim it to be so. The truth of the matter is then only decided by comparison with the Word. Nothing and no one can say otherwise. If you believe Christ is on your side in this, then guess what? BY DEFAULT, everyone who opposes you, OPPOSES CHRIST HIMSELF. No one can win, no matter what we say, write, or prove. You can denounce it all as merely anti-Christian rhetoric. It is hubris par excellence. You want us to judge you on your statements.
Yes, I want you to judge my statements. That is why I present them - to be judged. I trust that readers will compare them with the Words found in God's Book, to see if they agree or disagree with the Book. To my knowledge thus far, I'm not convinced that someone has. When some claim to have done so, I've asked for a quote to point to the post. As of yet, the quotes don't materialize. Well, here is my judgment. You have no fear of God before your eyes (
Romans 3:18).
Wow! All the scripture sharing I've done and you say I have no fear of God. Amazing how you conclude such from my words. Thx for sharing but you are wrong. The warmth in my heart and the shout in my lungs as a response to the Spirit say you are wrong in your shallow assessment of me. You care more about how we judge you and your statements, rather than caring that according to the Lord Jesus, by your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned (
Matthew 12:36).
No sir. You are wrong sir. I am keenly aware that I will give account of every idle word. But if you believe the Lord Jesus justifies you and your words, then stand in that faith.
Indeed I do. In Christ alone is my righteousness. I have no other plea. Why care what a nobody and stranger on the internet thinks?
Well, yes! Exactly! While wanting to share what is shown to me by the Lord, it is absolutely true that what another does does not change my life for good or bad. Yet the scripture says that he delights when we walk in truth. I've specifically raised two points of truth in AFF. 1Co11 and Ro14. I desire that all walk in this truth. I am like the Lord in this regard, doing so because my love for him compels me, especially those who are spiritual kin by Ac2. Love for Jesus demands I share. Those that would put a basket over their light would sin.
As I've stated to others, show the error of the reasoning I've used in the threads I've started. Show them wrong. Show the interpretation of scripture I've used, to be a bad interpretation. If not able to, then accept them in the same way all truth should be accepted by all Men.
Just stop. Don, Esaias and Evangelist Benincasa and Amanah, and to a much lesser extent, me, have done just that. But you refuse to acknowledge it, then cry the blues because no one has had the gumption, moxy, or know-how to refute you.
I think I've already responded to this, above. Congratulations, Don. Your tears are positively crocodilian. Bravo! Encore!
If you would deny that I've had much mud slung at my character by Dom, then it would confirm that you are out of touch with reality, or that you haven't read the posts. And I will not say you are out of touch with this reality. If you read posts you will not deny the truth I have just shared.
If you show them wrong then you'll be able to say with an honest-to-yourself face, that I continually teach contrary to the most fundamental Apostolic hermeneutic available. I'm fully keenly aware they do not agree with standard Apostolic interpretation. But are my thoughts seen wrong compared to scripture or compared to a long-held interpretation of scripture?
Thank you for playing. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.00.
I think those of AFF see me as wrong only as compared to long-held interpretation of scripture. Those who think them wrong do not compare them to scripture.
Sorry, there are no consolation prizes. Your thumb will have to do.
And the holes in their views I point out in my views, which holes my critics do not plug. Thus, continued retention of bad interpretation is compounded by rejection of truth exposing the error of views. And this from those whose mantra is 'we've got the truth'. Apostolics are just as human as Trinitarians in ways just described.
And the hater rears his ugly skull.
Pardon? I don't see any relation between your comments and my words.
I'm not a novice and fully realise before I post, that I'm up against years of entrenched traditional Apostolic Biblical interpretation, which then sees me with heretical ideas. Even so, I post.
“Here I stand; I can do no other, so help me God. Amen”, is that it? You’re a Martin Luther wannabe?
While not a Luther, all should wish to stand
as he did for the truth revealed to him. If I'm only a thousandth of what he was I'd still be proud of myself.
Trinitarians have a view caused by misinterpretation, seen when all the scriptural facts are considered without bias. But it is scriptural interpretation nonetheless. It may be so with long held Apostolic interpretation.
Anyone who doesn’t agree with you is in as much error as a Trinitarian? Nice. Nicely played.
Also nicely played is your restatement of what I said, wrongly stated. If any Apostolic stands to say 1+1=3, where would you stand? I would not stand with them even though I am an Apostolic and love Apostolic truth. our willingness to rack up one logical fallacy after another and your tenacity in being wrong on all counts while continuing to push onward is breathtaking. What a specimen, you are, Don.
Plz note, dear reader, that votivesoul accuses me of one logical fallacy after another and when I ask for specifics he will not provide them. I base this on having asked before, to no avail. But, votivesoul, you can prove me wrong and actually do so now.
And yet, I here in AFF put up with the abuse which people who wish to see me leave, heap on me. Why should I stay? Why should I put up with this from those who are spiritual kin by the standards of the New Birth. But I do. I have something of truth to share. I share it and suffer the abuse which comes with it.
Abuse? And yet you keep coming back? What, are you now trauma bound to come back to the people who beat you, like a battered wife in a bad marriage?
No, Don. In this, it takes two to tango. You are a prime example of the Eurhythmics song Sweet Dreams (Are Made of These):
Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to be used by you
Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused by you
What Jesus and Paul and all other preachers learn is, if you want to live for God, you suffer some for it. It's just the way it is. Deal with it. It is true in 2026 and Canada, AFF, and the internet. If you think you've got something to say then someone will put you down for it. I've got something to say and hope and pray I will not be alone to believe it.
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