The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits

[SDG]

Disdain for an emphasis on the baptism of the HG ...? Please clarify ... I don't see any of that here ... has some one said it is not necessary????

I do see an honest discussion about some of those who seek to force-feed a a glorious and wonderful gift of empowerment and comfort.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Disdain for an emphasis on the baptism of the HG ...? Please clarify ... I don't see any of that here ... has some one said it is not necessary????

I do see an honest discussion about some of those who seek to force-feed a a glorious and wonderful gift of empowerment and comfort.

Daniel, we are new cyber-friends , and I only want to rationally debate the issue, but you have never answered the question that many have asked on this thread.

Do you believe the Holy Ghost baptism (as evidenced by speaking in tongues) is necessary to be saved from Hell?

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Daniel, we are new cyber-friends , and I only want to rationally debate the issue, but you have never answered the question that many have asked on this thread.

Do you believe the Holy Ghost baptism (as evidenced by speaking in tongues) is necessary to be saved from Hell?

I'll be glad to answer. I do not believe the bible teaches this.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

I'll be glad to answer. I do not believe the bible teaches this.

Perhaps PP you haven't examined your own wording of the PCI view

preach repentance, baptism and Holy Ghost infilling as necessary - but perhaps not necessary for salvation. They feel these things should be fulfilled to ensure obedience, or to enhance the believers life.

PP ... what is really going on here is an attempt to polarize/ or unite the Apostolic family under the "Acts 2:38" banner .... even MA was keen enough to pick up on this ... notice how he carefully crafted his support for TV evangelism by rallying the cry.

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Daniel, we are new cyber-friends , and I only want to rationally debate the issue, but you have never answered the question that many have asked on this thread.

Do you believe the Holy Ghost baptism (as evidenced by speaking in tongues) is necessary to be saved from Hell?

I don't know how Daniel would answer, but I will tell you how I believe. I believe you are saved from hell when you leave the Kingdom of darkness and enter into the kingdom of His dear Son (genuine repentance). Then you are to be baptized in water to identify with the Body of Christ, and you need to receive the Holy Ghost to be able to live an overcoming life in this present world.

We had 48 receive the Holy Ghost last year; we definitely push it as necessary in your life. We do not make it a requirement for membership.

Originally Posted by Sherri

I don't know how Daniel would answer, but I will tell you how I believe. I believe you are saved from hell when you leave the Kingdom of darkness and enter into the kingdom of His dear Son (genuine repentance). Then you are to be baptized in water to identify with the Body of Christ, and you need to receive the Holy Ghost to be able to live an overcoming life in this present world.

We had 48 receive the Holy Ghost last year; we definitely push it as necessary in your life. We do not make it a requirement for membership.

I got the feeling that I was watching a great performance by Fred Astaire or Gregor Hines.

I would ask again, can one be saved without the Holy Ghost? Or maybe I should ask, is anyone able to live an overcoming life in this present world without it? If not, then is the non-overcomer going to be saved based on the repentance experience? If the answer is no then I would assert that you believe that the Holy Ghost is essential for a person to be saved or else those who do not overcome will be saved.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by philjones

I got the feeling that I was watching a great performance by Fred Astaire or Gregor Hines.

I would ask again, can one be saved without the Holy Ghost? Or maybe I should ask, is anyone able to live an overcoming life in this present world without it? If not, then is the non-overcomer going to be saved based on the repentance experience? If the answer is no then I would assert that you believe that the Holy Ghost is essential for a person to be saved or else those who do not overcome will be saved.

Notice PP ... how this works ... Phil does not realize he is part of a culture ... that seeks to divide.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Notice PP ... how this works ... Phil does not realize he is part of a culture ... that seeks to divide.

Careful! Don't lump him in with that lot.
You wouldn't want him to stereotype you now, would you?

THAT CULTURE gets way too much air time, and perhaps I am the most guilty of placing too much emphasis on them. I'm sick of 'em.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Careful! Don't lump him in with that lot.
You wouldn't want him to stereotype you now, would you?

THAT CULTURE gets way too much air time, and perhaps I am the most guilty of placing too much emphasis on them. I'm sick of 'em.

Here lies the problem .... It has seeped into the churches filled w/ good people ... Phil is good people

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Notice PP ... how this works ... Phil does not realize he is part of a culture ... that seeks to divide.

"When you can't refute the argument, marginalize the individual by accusing them of being part of some weird sub-culture that affects them in ways they cannot recognize."

An excerpt from "How to Obfuscate When Your Argument Is Thinner Than Sharecropper's Soup," by Daniel Alicea.