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02-24-2007, 10:04 AM
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Okay then, freeatlast, Sherri and Daniel, we are all friends right?
I have nothing but respect for you. But give me a little latitude to explain myself, please.
1. Would you all agree that you have left what you once believed, or that you have left what you were once identified as?
2. Can you see Coonskinner's point that our doctrine is continually slammed and poked at, and dissed on these forums? Yet when we state any disdain for "belief only" doctrine we are viewed as intolerant and judgemental.
Surely you have viewed my posts enough to know that I try very hard to be anything but judgemental? We simply disagree - thats all.
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No one has "left" what we believe PP ... by rightly dividing the Word ... it has become clearer ... at least in my book. It's ok to disagree .... but to put your head in the sand ... and act like the same segment you speak about when it comes to standards is not persecuting the rest of the Apostolic family on the issue of soteriology is missing it.
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02-24-2007, 10:15 AM
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No one has "left" what we believe PP ... by rightly dividing the Word ... it has become clearer ... at least in my book. It's ok to disagree .... but to put your head in the sand ... and act like the same segment you speak about when it comes to standards is not persecuting the rest of the Apostolic family on the issue of soteriology is missing it.
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I do agree there is a very small, but extremely vocal, segment of Apostolics that have made it their goal to pare off as many folks as possible. I am not one of them, and neither is Coonskinner.
My head is not in the sand. I am a very reality based and clear-thinking sort of fellow. This very often leads to my hands getting slapped.
But Daniel, if someone from outside of the movement, who had never been an Apostolic, viewed the changes in you, Sherri, and even Felicity, they would assume that you had left something you once believed in, and I'm not just talking about standards here.
Thats all I'm saying.
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02-24-2007, 10:17 AM
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I do agree there is a very small, but extremely vocal, segment of Apostolics that have made it their goal to pare off as many folks as possible. I am not one of them, and neither is Coonskinner.
My head is not in the sand. I am a very reality based and clear-thinking sort of fellow. This very often leads to my hands getting slapped.
But Daniel, if someone from outside of the movement, who had never been an Apostolic, viewed the changes in you, Sherri, and even Felicity, they would assume that you had left something you once believed in, and I'm not just talking about standards here.
Thats all I'm saying.
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02-24-2007, 10:22 AM
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PP ... PREPARE FOR COVER .. FIRE IN THE HOLE ....
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So be it. It's the truth.
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02-24-2007, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
I do agree there is a very small, but extremely vocal, segment of Apostolics that have made it their goal to pare off as many folks as possible. I am not one of them, and neither is Coonskinner.
My head is not in the sand. I am a very reality based and clear-thinking sort of fellow. This very often leads to my hands getting slapped.
But Daniel, if someone from outside of the movement, who had never been an Apostolic, viewed the changes in you, Sherri, and even Felicity, they would assume that you had left something you once believed in, and I'm not just talking about standards here.
Thats all I'm saying.
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Gained a clearer understanding would be a better description PP. I am closer to God in my walk with Him now than I ever was before.
Knowing that my salvation is free gift from Christ has set me free to embrace Christ as he really is.
I serve and love out of gratitude, not obligation as before.
So many have said the same. That hey feel born again all over agian, when they clearly see the salvation message of the grace of God in a fuller way than they had before seen it.
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02-24-2007, 10:25 AM
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Gained a clearer understanding would be a better description PP. I am closer to God in my walk with Him now than I ever was before.
Knowing that my salvation is free gift from Christ has set me free to embrace Christ as he really is.
I serve and love out of gratitude, not obligation as before.
So many have said the same. That hey feel born again all over agian, when they clearly see the salvation message of the grace of God in a fuller way than they had before seen it.
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02-24-2007, 10:27 AM
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Gained a clearer understanding would be a better description PP. I am closer to God in my walk with Him now than I ever was before.
Knowing that my salvation is free gift from Christ has set me free to embrace Christ as he really is.
I serve and love out of gratitude, not obligation as before.
So many have said the same. That hey feel born again all over agian, when they clearly see the salvation message of the grace of God in a fuller way than they had before seen it.
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Yes my friend, but my point is the word "backslider" that has offended so many. Even to the world the word would be applicable to some. A backslider is someone who leaves something they once believed.
Lets not be too hard on Coonskinner here.
I am not trying to be inflammatory, just "following the cloud" of conversation, as MOW would say.
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02-24-2007, 10:28 AM
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Yes my friend, but my point is the word "backslider" that has offended so many. Even to the world the word would be applicable to some. A backslider is someone who leaves something they once believed.
Lets not be too hard on Coonskinner here.
I am not trying to be inflammatory, just "following the cloud" of conversation, as MOW would say.
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America once believed in slavery and segregation ... have we backslid PP??? Of course, not
The term is being misused ... why do you insist on calling your friends and brethren such???
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02-24-2007, 10:34 AM
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America once believed in slavery and segregation ... have we backslid PP??? Of course, not
The term is being misused ... why do you insist on calling your friends and brethren such??? 
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Daniel, slavery and segregation are not religious beliefs.
Bad analogy.
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02-24-2007, 10:35 AM
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Daniel, slavery and segregation are not religious beliefs.
Bad analogy.
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I think not.
Both were practiced by God-fearing Christian people ... remember the apology on the latter???.
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